We have a lot to get to. We're going to be talking about weather because the temperatures are still very frigid
As you saw out there, we're still in the middle of that Arctic freeze that's moving into our system here
But we'll keep you up to date on that once we get into weather. But right now, let's show you some video because we want to bring you up to speed with the very latest on that shooting, that mass shooting at Brown University
And we know that right now there's a massive manhunt underway. Police are actually releasing more video of the person that they are trying to find
But there is a little bit of a complication going on with that, you know, because as this is also developing, as we're getting new information in trying to make sure that we're keeping you up to speed on the very latest with this
But again, this is just some of the new video of a person that police are just trying to have a conversation with, just trying to see if they can, you know, see what he or she may know in regards to this shooting incident
But it is certainly one of the biggest stories that we're following right now
We want to bring in my colleague, Lisa Everest, just to bring us up to speed. I know you were also looking into this. We were making calls today on this
No, definitely, Antoine. You look at the video that was released. I mean, we look at it and we're like going, OK, how helpful is that
He's dressed all in black, apparently. Or there, I should say, because we're not sure if it's a man or a woman
The person's face is covered with that face mask when they're sideways there
and they're showing that individual. Now, one of the things that the FBI has released
they sent out information wanted. Now, usually what happens with the FBI is
according to my law enforcement sources, if they know who the individual is
they're going to put out that picture and say there's a reward for information leading to the capture
or the arrest of this particular person. In this case, with the bulletin that came out
Vinny, let's roll that. I think we have that flyer that came out
where they describe the suspect as armed and dangerous, or maybe we don't
It's okay. So no problem. But the armed and dangerous because of the amount of firepower that he had with him
There were a lot of ballistic evidence that was left at the scene, which is going to be helping investigators
But you see this. So what I'm sure is happening, they are probably releasing as little video as possible
just enough to get people to say, oh, that's so-and-so, or that looks like so-and-so
or he always wore his hat like that or something that's identified or his physical stature
Could be the jacket even. Even the jacket, like, oh, it's cold but he doesn't have a scarf on or things of that nature
So that's why they're releasing it. It's not clear what he's scoping out here, but they're showing that
But it also will help them in terms of doing what they call link ysis, where they'll be getting, I'm sure they have surveillance video all across the campus
Some people were saying it might not have been working. The building where the shooting took place, it was final exams time
The doors were unlocked. Some students that were interviewed by Fox News said that it was typical for the campus not to have locked doors
You know, a lot of the campus is just like a lot of office buildings. You can walk into ever since 9 you can walk into an office building and a lot of places here in New York without showing an ID And giving a name of let me call up before we even scan you in and let you go So this is a concern The concern is that they don know who this individual is yet
Now, I'm sure this happened in Providence. It happened on the college campus
But at some point, if the individual was leaving there, leaving the campus
the individual, the person, like I said, we don't know if it's a man or a woman
They're not even specifying that. That shooter is going to have to go across a bridge
They're going to have to go someplace on a road where there's surveillance cameras. If they're driving, they're going to have to get gas
All the gas stations everywhere have video cameras. There's going to be other cameras that they're looking at
but they're hoping that somebody is going to call them up on their tip line and say, hey, we recognize that guy. We know who that guy is
Lisa, let me ask you, I know you spoke to sources. Did they explain how difficult it is when you have a high-profile situation like this shooting
To your point, they don't know who they're looking for. How do they begin? Is it just a video footprint that they're doing the backtracking
Is that what your sources would say? Well, usually it's going to be two things usually, Antoine. And in this particular case, whatever physical evidence they have
if they have DNA evidence on those magazine clips, a .30 caliber
which we're told is a very unusual caliber of bullet, there were two loaded magazine clips that they found at the scene
which was kind of sloppy of the shooter to leave there but the other thing was they had that evidence
and then the video, what they'll try to do is find out what their track was
did they go to a bus station, did they go to a train station, did they go to the airport but that DNA, the ballistic evidence is very very important
because they have a national, the FBI, NYPD has it We saw it
The ATF actually has it organized. It's a national database for ballistics
So basically, they can get a gun, and they can track that gun to whatever other shootings happened to it
You know, like we had a shooting in a high school a couple years ago. A 14-year-old with a gun
That gun had been used in a couple of other cities, interestingly enough, and in two murders
And then they can track the bullets. They also have the database for a lot of the bullets, too, and the ammunition in terms of where is it sold, what kind of gun was it fired out of, by the striations, the markings on the bullets
So that's going to be a big help to them. It's another avenue for them. Nothing's as good as if they get a good clear video
And, you know, in New York they have a system which was put in place, and it became more highly sophisticated in the years after 9-11
where they can actually put in your license plate or an individual image
and then it can be matched to other places, almost like a closed-circuit TV, like, oh, suspect A left here, and now they're down here
because they're all linked in with every bank ATM has video surveillance
But it's a problem for them because they don't know who this is. And the other thing, too, that I thought was interesting
they haven't said anything about a potential motive. Because you typically think with the school, this is maybe an ex-student, as we've seen in other, sadly, in other mass shootings
A disgruntled employee perhaps A disgruntled employee some sort of personal or romantic situation and they trying to get back or get attention from the person that they feel spurned them or rejected them
But in this case, what's interesting is that you have the two people who were killed
the 20-year-old young woman, she was the vice president of the College Republican Club
She's from Alabama. So she was shot and killed, and our condolences out to her first name's Ella, to Ella and her family
And then the other was a young man who was a freshman, apparently
He and his family emigrated from Uzbekistan, and he was a pre-med student
And one of these people that always wants to help people. I mean, would have made studying to be a doctor at Brown University
So you know that you're talking about two very intelligent young people
Smarter than smart. Yeah, exactly. So was he targeted for some particular reason
And then, you know, there's no motive. Like, we haven't heard of a motive
So was there a note? Was there messaging that was, you know, that was available
But they haven't said anything about that. You've been covering stories involving guns
Any talk of this being like a ghost gun? Anything that you've heard, you know, possibly
Is that also into consideration when they start tracking out? They would always do that. But the other thing, too, is even if they use what's called a ghost gun, they can still track that
They can sit like the gun in the Luigi Mangione case, for example
As you know, the gun that they found in the backpack that prosecutors say belonged to Luigi Mangione
that is a 3D printed, a.k.a. ghost gun. But it's still going to have markings because in order to fire the bullet with the force that has to go through the chamber
thank you, through the chamber, that's going to leave some markings. It's going to give them some indication
even with these quote-unquote ghost guns, at some point in their use, they're trackable
But this is just, you know, and the other thing, too, we talked about, Antoine, before you started the show here, that I think we should share with everybody
is there's been a lot of criticism of the Providence Police Department. This happened Saturday. Today is Tuesday
Why haven't they made an arrest or anything like that? First of all, it's a campus
Second of all, this is an Ivy League school. And I'm sure there were a lot of concerns about, you know, a lot of concerns
They were getting a lot of calls, you know, like from school attorneys, from school officials, from, you know, trustees, from all sorts of individuals
D.C., the White House. Yeah, everybody. The administration is trying to get information as well
They're trying to figure out, like, what do we really need to do? So it's not like it's a school where they might have been used to this or they're in a, you know, a heavily urban area or whatever
But, you know, as we even saw with Columbia University when the protests and all that, it took it took a while before they got they got their PR apparatus responding according to news cycles
Exactly. Because they're not usually used to doing that. And they started to realize they had to make statements and and all of that
So I think there was a bit of that with this. And and I I I kind of feel I hoping maybe it because I hoping they have more information than what they releasing to the public and to the media right now Which is not uncommon which you know just from covering Street Soldiers you know and all of the gangbusters you been on and all of the takedowns that you done all
of the crimes that you've covered. What are you working on this week as far as Street Soldiers go
Street Soldiers, we're working on, we're recording it, but it's not going to air until
January, but it's Biggie and Tupac. Why can't we let go? Because the show we just did last week was Hip Hop New Perspectives
But I'm going like these these individuals are from the 1990s. There's there's a couple of generations that have been born and grown up since they were gone, but they're still capturing everybody's attention
You know, do you so you wonder about that? And I know I get that, you know, given what dropped on Netflix with the ditty, which you covered extensively for us every day you were there
You know, we know that there's been renewed interest to your point. It's the same thing, but it's also to
And I think the other thing is, you know, both of those murders have never been solved. No one's gone to jail because of the murders
They were very high profile. If those had happened, remember, this is like the late 1990s, early 2000s
So this was before every phone had a camera on it. And there weren't cameras everywhere like there are now in public, even in Los Angeles
So I think if this happened now, it would have been case closed, case solved
Somebody would have been doing time for this, behind this. But there was nothing like that really to that extent back in the day
So it's just one of those mysteries. And their music, they were both musical, you know, whatever you want to think of their personal life and personal choices
They were icons. They were icons. They were bigger than life. And they kind of embodied the hip-hop of that spirit and the frustrations of a lot of people that felt like their voices weren't being heard
Before you go, I know you're working, but since you opened this door, I have to ask. Because in case you all don't know, Lisa has covered hip-hop extensively throughout her whole career, whether it's with us, whether it's on the radio, Hot 97 and stuff
you covered both of these incidents you saw the similarities you're reporting what do you think
is fueling the interest all these years later like what is it i think i think it's because it's also
at that time you didn't become a big name unless you had already gone through a lot of steps so for
example like now you can we have plenty of examples of it you have people that make a hit song on you
know their dad's or their mom's old laptop and they put it on tiktok and it goes viral and then
they start to build a fan base and they get a record deal very fast. Then back in the day at
that time it was very personal like Biggie came up to the radio station, you know, Pac when he was in
town, all of these things so they were known. They'd have CD, you know, they'd have cassettes
They were playing cassettes then. They would give those out so it was a very personal thing but they
were also larger than life and there weren't as many artists. Now there's thousands and thousands
of thousands of artists. I mean, Spotify, we did a story on that. They get tens of thousands of new songs every day
uploaded to their platform. So it was just at that particular time
And then when somebody is murdered, that adds a whole other element of concern
and curiosity and all of that. Lisa Evers knows everything about it
And Lisa, thank you so much for being with us. I know you're busy. We're going to take a quick break
More Newsroom Live when we return