Well, hello folks. It's Mike here. I just want to welcome you back to the cast iron carnivore show. And today
we're going to be diving into real food, real people, and real talk. And I've got a guest today that I think you're going
to be real excited about. At least I am anyway. And we've got Liz from Carnivore
Science with us today. So, just want to welcome Liz. Hey, Liz. How you doing today?
Good. How are you doing, man? If I was doing any better, I'd have to set on my hands to keep from waving
at everybody. You know what I'm saying? There you go. Yep. Yep. I know how you
feel. Yeah. Well, good deal. Well, that title to your YouTube channel now that
Carnivore Science has got me curious. So, can you kind of give us a little
opening and rundown of uh who you are and what you're up to and uh a little
bit about your uh experience and uh different things with your channel and
just uh Okie do let us know. Okay. Well, I was born a poor southern
child. No, not going to go that far back. Okay. So, um I actually Well, you
know what? It's kind of relevant what I was like as a child because when I was a kid, okay, I was a stick, literal stick,
string bean is what they called me. And my sister was a big person, right? So
that's important that I start this off by saying, you know how they say people are different, right? When it comes to
carnivore, it's like everybody's different, everybody eats different, blah blah blah. Now, the human body works the way it works, right? But man,
she could look at a piece of cornbread and gain 10 lbs and I could eat 10 birthday cakes a day and not gain a
pound. So, I mean, I never had to worry about what I ate, nothing like that. So, that was when I was younger. And it
lasted until I was in my probably like 30s or 40s, right? And my background is
the reason my uh channel's called Carnivore Science is because I'm a scientist. So, I'm a I got a first I got
a degree in um medical technology. So, when you go to the hospital labs and you
know they take all your blood and they're running your blood and they're looking at your pee and everything else like that was what I did. So, that was
my first career and I went into um a lot of uh um viral like work. I went and
worked for the Red Cross and I was working in hospitals during the AIDS epidemic. So that was wild. I mean
that's where I got my feet or my toes in the lake of the FDA because they were
trying to develop new tech were new tests in order to actually detect the
HIV uh sooner because there was a window and people were getting disease you know they were actually contracting the virus
from the blood supply. So, I worked for the American Red Cross or whatever, worked with the FDA, and then I really
looked at them and I was like, "Oh, wow. You guys, you're the good guys, you know, oh,
you're you're here to keep us safe and wow, I was naive." So, I mean, but I was
young, you know, so I didn't know any better. So, I got into regulatory, which is basically the code of fed federal
regulations, which is CFR, you know, it's a it's all the federal regs. And I started working uh long story short, but
I got into first um like blood supply type stuff and then I got into
pharmaceuticals. So I went back to school before that and got a chemistry degree. So I'm a pharmaceutical chemist.
Moved to Florida. I'm originally from South Carolina, but I moved to Florida after I got my chemistry degree. It was
a little while a little decent time after. And I got into clinical trial
manufacturer. So where you actually make the drugs that they use for clinical trials. So that was absolutely
horrifying. I did a lot of years of that and it was extremely lucrative. It was a
very lucrative career to be in. I mean you know you make fortune when you go into that field. Um, but I started to
see how things worked really and and one of the things I saw that actually was a
turning point for me and it was an evolution was when I realized how they
sold drugs. So when you go you think a lot of times well oh there's you know
these noble there I was thinking the noble scientists were there to cure things and make things better when in
actuality they don't want to cure anything. They just want to mitigate
symptoms to keep you going but it takes more and more drugs. So when they decide and this is in general and I'm not
speaking of any particular company that I've worked with because I've worked with Fizer and Lily and all the big ones
and some of the smaller ones and CRO's um which are contract research organizations
um all different sizes. But when you actually look at mainstream drugs, when they're going to decide what drug to
actually pick to develop, they pick the one a lot of in a lot of cases where
it's going to have the most satellite drugs. And when you look at a drug like so, they say, "We're going to sell this
drug for eczema and it's going to cure eczema or whatever, but it's going to
cause rampant diarrhea. Um, it's going to cause like acid reflux
and something else." So, we have three satellite drugs that we can make money off of if we prescribe this one. And
a lot of people don't believe that that's really the way it works, but it is, you know, and that goes for big
food, big egg, all of it. Right? So, when I realized that this was what was
going on, um, you know, and it's funny because later I fell into this pit myself, um,
but even though I knew this, I couldn't do it anymore. So I moved over to
medical devices because medical devices is still it's a different regulation but it's still my wheelhouse and my
expertise because I have all this you know 20 years of experience in this and I couldn't just throw it away but I also you know you got to worry about your
soul. So it's like I couldn't face myself in the mirror every day knowing
what was going on in the pharma industry. So that's how I kind of salvaged my career. But during um the
time that I was working in medical devices and this was probably 2013 2014
well I'll tell you what take you tell you what I go back so when my daughter was born if I go back to when I was
still in pharma and my daughter was born that was in 2005
I got a debilitating after she was born just I mean and again I wasn't overweight back then or nothing I looked
great I was really thin even after I had my kids Um, but I had a debilitating like achiness like all over my body. I
had muscle pain. I had joint pain. They were like, "Oh, you've got arthritis. You've got fibromyalgia."
And fibromyalgia, if you don't know anything about it, they literally, and I'm not making this up, they they bring
you in the office and if you say you've got widespread pain and they don't have any other reason for it, they literally
poke you and says and say, "Does this hurt?" I mean, that's how they diagnose
fibromyalgia. It's crazy. So, um, they diagnosed me with that and put me on an
opioid, uh, for that I took for 17 years of my life because it was the only way
to fix it. And keep in mind, I've tried vegan diets. I've tried all the diets.
Nothing changed anything. I always had to take this tramodol, this opioid every
day of my life in order to function. And I functioned. It worked. It didn't really drug you up. it's just, you know,
it's still a drug, you know, it's a pretty strong drug. So, I was taking that. That sucked. So, about 2013, um,
for whatever reason, we moved, um, I moved back to South Carolina and I have I was a single mom and I have two kids
and I was raising them. And for whatever reason, I started gaining weight. Something changed where the kid who
could eat 10 birthday cakes was gone and I couldn't look at anything. But I was
using food for comfort. I was a food addict, you know. I didn't know at the time that was a thing and you could be
one. But I mean, I honestly was I would Jones for food. I mean, I could tear up
some cream horns and some Coca-Cas. And I was doing it to
basically comfort myself because of what had gone on in my life and things like that. And it's hard, you know, raising
two kids. And so I gained a 100red pounds. And I'll tell you what, it snuck
up on me because the way that I gain weight is like if you ever take a candle
and you dip it in more wax and you just keep doing it and it gets a layer all over it. That's the way I gain weight.
So a lot I'd wear loose clothes and a lot of people didn't know I was that fat and they're like, I don't remember you being I didn't know you were that fat,
you know? So it was kind of so I was hiding it for myself because like I had a flat stomach but I was fat. I was
obese because I was carrying an extra hundred pounds. I was able to carry it without looking real bad, but I knew it
and it was horrible. So, I was a recluse. I didn't want to do anything. You know, I did what I had to with the
kids, went to work every day, but you know, it just was I was turning into a
hermit and I'm like, well, you know, this is life or whatever. And I developed uh more conditions. I had a
lot of other problems. I didn't sleep correctly. Uh I actually developed
really horrible acid reflux. Horrible. Like to the point where it felt like someone was stabbing me in the center
mass. It was horrible. I had um anxiety. Uh all all kinds of issues. I had my
gallbladder had to be removed in 2014. Just a myriad of stuff. And
the breaking point for me and I had tried keto. I did keto and I lost
weight, but I had to literally almost kill myself losing weight, right? So, I
was running on a treadmill like I mean five miles a day and I'm also starving
myself. So, it wasn't so much keto and it wasn't a highfat type of keto. It wasn't a correct way to do keto. It's
basically the starvation diet. So, the reason I lost weight is because I starved myself honestly and it was but I
wasn't eating carbs. So, I lost about 40 or 50 pounds, but then it came back because if you do lose weight that way,
it's going to come back. You know, it's not the way that you that's going to work. So, I gained about 30 lbs back.
Now, I was lighter, but I didn't feel good. I never felt great
even though I lost some of the weight, but at the time, like the only thing I'm thinking of is um how to lose weight.
I'm not thinking of my health or anything. So, um, really the what
happened was in 2022, the day after Thanksgiving, I had spent two days
cooking, just solid for everybody. And I really didn't eat that much sugar and
things like that. I was still kind of keto-ish, but I would still have vegetables and things like that. And um,
I woke up the day after Thanksgiving and I was in so much pain. My hip hurt so
bad and it was down deep. So, it was like in the front where your hipbone, you know, sticks out kind of. And it was
really down deep. And it was scaring me because I'd never had hip pain before. And I just woke up and I'm like, "Well,
crap." You know, sometimes my knee hurts, my back pain. I had back pain for years and years and years that never
went away. My entire life almost ever since I had kids at least. And um you
know, just I was like, "Well, it's just another thing. You know, what's going to break today? What are we going to feel
like today?" So, excuse me. Um, so I got up and I called
my sister. I was scared because I'm like, "This is worrisome because this is weird. I don't know where it came from and it's so painful that I can hardly
stand it." So, I go to the ER the day
after a holiday, which if if you understand what that looks like, you know how desperate you have to be to go
to an ER. You know, that's how scary. So I go into this, you know, I'm sitting
there waiting and of course it's American health care system. So we're waiting hours and hours and hours and
thank God my sister was with me. But I'm looking around the room and and just I'm like, "Oh my god, look
at this sick and fat population." And I'm one of them and like we're just
falling apart. I'm like, "Why am I falling apart at this age? This is ridiculous." And a little voice in my
head was like,"Well, just grab another cream horn because you know this is your life and you better get used to it. You
might as well enjoy yourself while you're deteriorating and going down the toilet. You know, that's what was and
I'm like, I guess, you know." So, I go back there and I'm hoping they'll find whatever it is. I'm hoping it wasn't
serious. They do all these tests. We're there all day. Little Doogie Hower comes
in, little little doctor, and he goes, "Well, we didn't see anything.
Like, this visit cost me $5,000." And he goes, "Oh, could be inflammation.
I'll give you a steroid." I snapped like I had a psychotic break
at that moment. And I'm like, "Okay, I'm 55 years old.
What? You know, did did the Lord in heaven make all humans ready to expire
at 55? No, this does not make any sense. I don't understand. I'm angry. So, I'm
super mad and I just start I don't know. I'm just looking for answers. I wasn't
even thinking diet. I'm just like some what is wrong? What's something's wrong with the world? Like there's all these
drugs. Nobody's curing anything. Everything's a scam. like there's got to
be a way out of this. There's got to be something. And so I start digging around
and that's when I saw Anthony Chaffy and he's like, you know how many toxins are
in plants? And and it all of a sudden like it's like your life flashing before
your eyes because I had looked I'm a chemist. I had looked at the back of a
can. This is how good the brainwashing is, okay? I looked at the back of a can and went, "Oh, good God." like I know
what that is. I use that can't be good. We're eating that. And I was like, "Okay, let me just buy and I would buy
the stuff." And I didn't even pick up on it. I didn't even pick up on it. And I
continued to eat that way. And I'm like, "Oh my god." All of a sudden,
I'm like, "This has to be it." You know, this carnivore thing where he was and he was talking about the toxins and plants
and yada yada yada. And I had done not a higher vat fat version of keto, which you need that animal fat. that is
critical, you know, for healing especially. And so I I went down the usual suspects, Ken Barry, um
Anthony Chaffy, uh you know, uh Dr. Baker, and then from
there, I actually started carnivore that night, the day after. And three
days, I haven't slept through the night in probably 20 years. I slept like the
dead. And not only do I sleep like the dead, when the alarm clock goes off in the morning, like I don't even need the
alarm clock anymore. I wake up at 5:00 a.m. Yeah. And I sleep through the night like the dead. And I I never need an alarm clock.
Um and my hip pain was gone within three days.
Wow. It was gone. My and everything else was gone. And when I say everything else, I
mean everything else. It was crazy. And then about and and I probably after
about five days I could have stopped taking my opioid that I was taking, but I was too scared because I was afraid I
would I was so, you know, attached to it. I'm like, "Oh my god, but if I stop taking it so fast, like it I'm going to
hurt, you know, or have rebound pain." But I was able to get I got off of that in a month and I haven't I haven't
touched a pill. That was three years ago. And I haven't touched an ibuprofen
or a Tylenol. I haven't taken any medications and I haven't been sick once
at all. Like I haven't there's nothing I don't I used to go to the doctors like every six months. I used to give them
150 bucks like every six months and I haven't seen that woman which is a blessing because I I hated her. She was
awful. She wanted me to take statins and everything else under the sun. But um it
it's like a miracle. And you literally like after this happens to you, you feel like you're in some kind of a I don't
know like candid camera or something and somebody's going to come out. You know what I mean? Like there's it can't be this easy kind of thing. So it saved my
life. I mean literally because I was ready to curl up in the corner with some cream horns and just you know just you
know go to that the whatever pasture like gracefully. But um instead I like
have more energy than I know what to do with. I mean I have a new life basically. my life is completely different. Like I don't stop. I'm 247.
I'm not hiding in my room anymore, you know, afraid to come out and ashamed of what I present as.
So, it's an amazing amazing story. Yeah, it really is. And and you know, it
makes me think a little bit when you're talking about when you did your research, you got to looking around. Of course, naturally, we always go to
YouTube or or Google and do some research. You know, Dr. Google has always been uh, you know,
helpful to us, you know, and I often say, you know, I don't I don't need to Google because my
wife knows everything. Don't I shouldn't say that. Hey, that's a safe way. You better be
Yeah, that's a safer idea. Oh, she knows. I'm just teasing with her. But, you know, it it is true. We do
research uh do our own research through YouTube and and Google. And so, you
found Dr. Chaffy, which we know, you and I both know and most of our guests know that he's very strict uh lion diet type.
He basically just eats beef uh salt and water. And so that's very extreme. But
he also talks about how plants in uh his schooling and research uh that
he's done and continues to do that the plants are causing a lot of the
problems that we have healthwise. And so when you research that and you run
across him and you run across Old Country Hick Kenberry from Tennessee, he was the one that he was the one that
attracted me. I thought, you know, we I resonate with this guy because we talk the same, we act the same, we're about
the same age and I could just relate to him and I listened to him and that's how I kind of
got started. I later on initially fell off the wagon and quit for a while because
you know I'm Mr. cast iron on YouTube and I'm always making all kinds of uh things like that and dealing with cast
iron. So, I got away from what I knew was right from keto and carnivore and I
fell back into it again until I had an episode. And so, I knew initially when
that happened that I knew how to get lined back out. So, when when you run across that and you
you you run into these guys and you started doing your research, how hard was it to transition? And I
know you said you started, but like how hard was it to uh implement actually uh
excluding vegetables? I mean, that just goes against our anything that we've ever been taught our whole life. So, how
did that work for you? Well, you know, I was lucky because I
had done keto and I could evidently I have the willpower to starve myself. So,
it's like if you're able to starve yourself, you can live without things. But but this was not like that. But I
did I had already kind of like eliminated starchy things, you know, and I tried to stay away from actual sugar.
Now I was still eating processed things and I was eating um fibrous carbohydrates which are problematic
because the you know vegetables that are fibrous the fiber causes a lot of the
problems. So, um, you know, when I But what was shocking to me is that I knew
about the toxins because I'm a chemist and I knew enough about that and I've been, you know, I knew that the WH had
that posted, had those toxins posted, but for whatever reason, it just didn't click. The vegetables, like the only
vegetables I ate at the time were like I would have cauliflower and I would put cheese on it and things like that
because that's like your typical keto type food. So, I wasn't eating all the vegetables. It's not like I had to leave
potatoes. Now, that would have been if I had been eating like French fries and baked potatoes, now that's very
addictive. I would have um had a problem, you know, getting off of that. But I had kind of a head start. But keto
wouldn't work. Now, keto for me does not work because it goes dirty.
And obviously, the inflammation that's caused by the toxins in all the
vegetables hurts me. So, some people can do keto and some people can stay clean
with it. Now, another problem is that, you know, net carbs are not a thing. That's made up. That's a marketing
scheme. Like, nobody stands by that. It's just something somebody made up to sell stuff. But when you go to the stores, and this is what I did when I
was keto, it's like, "Oh, keto bread, it only has two net carbs, whatever the heck that means. It's just made up, but
it really has like 18." But, um, you know, and there's a science to that, but
people fall for that. And that's just processed food is all that is. You know what I mean? So you end up with
processed artificial food. I fell down that rabbit hole. You know, I I couldn't control myself when it came to that. And
a lot of people have the same story. But for carnivore, it was actually very easy for me to do
because I found myself when I started eating the burgers and the ribe eyes, and everybody usually starts off with
ribe eyes. I was eating ribeye, ribeye, ribeye. Every day I was eating ribe eyes and it was so good and I was so full.
Um, you know, I didn't think about food anymore. I didn't have and the cravings were what I needed to get rid of. The
cravings had to go away because I was eating things that I would crave. Even
though I was eating like keto things and it was kind of processed, it'll start the cravings because there's food that
will kick off cravings and there's food that does not. and carnivore. If you're eating meat, uh, in the first couple of
weeks, I did lion diet. Now, I didn't stick to lion diet because I consider
when I say carnivore, and this I don't know if this is a legal definition or not, but I include um heavy cream, some
cheeses that are very clean, butter, um, you know, and then meats, but
essentially, you know, that's it. So, I incorporated that other stuff like pork, chicken, and like I say, you know, hey,
if you're Spongebob and you want to go out in the middle of the ocean and milk a jellyfish, have at it. That's from an animal, so it's fine. You know what I
mean? Anything from an animal in my eyes is carnivore. So, um, yeah, which not
that I'm going to do that, but you know, if you want goat or, you know, goats milk or whatever like that, and a lot of
people will drink milk, like whole milk. I don't do that because the carbs uh in
that would make me feel bad and it would kick me out of ketosis. And I do not ever want to be I want I stay in ketosis
pretty much all the time or most of the time and I don't like it when I'm kicked out because I honestly I feel like you
know I have kind of an addiction to being in ketosis because you feel so amazing. It's like being a superhero. I
can't even describe it you know and um I love that feeling. So I loved meat. I
loved eating meat. Um, you know, I'd put a lot of butter on it and stuff like that, which I had to like watch that
because I don't have a gallbladder. And so, yeah, you can Yeah, the the hot trots when you eat too much
butter and you don't watch it. You have to learn what you can absorb because I only I don't have a reservoir for bile
concentration. I just, you know, no gallbladder. So, I, you know, I make the bile and my body ramped up to what I
needed. But I mean, you can still overeat on carnivore because I love that food. I love butter. I love, you know,
meat. I love all of it. So, sometimes I can overeat just like I would anything else, but usually I don't. And then
you're satiated. And the freedom was something that I because I'll tell you what, I was getting triggered every day.
I came home and all I heard, you know, my kids are growing up is what's for dinner? They're looking at you. It's
like, oh god, I don't know. I don't want to cook. I've worked all day, you know, and you're always trying to figure out
what's for dinner, what's for dinner, what's for dinner. And, you know, I just was ready to throw my hands up and go, I
don't care. I don't want to ever eat again. I don't want to ever see food, and I don't want to see a dirty kitchen, you know. So, to me, the freedom of one
pan, one knife, one fork, one plate, and that's it. I don't have 10 sauce pots
and 30 I don't know sauté pans and and all the gadgets and the wizits and the
dads that are used to make the things. You know that's my son and his fiance.
Every time I go in the kitchen I'm just like and I turn around come out because it's just a mess and dishes everywhere.
That freedom to never have to ever hear what's for dinner again was just worth
its weight and gold. I mean, you talk about setting me free, it's just me and my steak or me and my burger or
whatever. And that was an amazing feeling. Now, a lot of people are like, "Oh, I miss this and that." And I think
that sometimes like like even um you know over the holidays sometimes like
you'll you'll miss a nostalgia, but I don't even really miss the food like because I used to like Southerners
make something called dressing. It's not It's like stuffing, but it's
smooshed down and mushy and you cook it in a pan and you slice it into little slices. And sometimes I like nostalgic.
I like the way it tastes, but I'm not going to eat it because it's going to hurt me. But sometimes like I'll have
like, "Oh, that would be oh, I wish that didn't hurt me." But, you know, I can still eat the meats and things, but I
don't I my my life doesn't revolve around food because that's what us as
Americans like our lives revolve around food. And as a food addict, you have to
let that go or you're never going to heal. You have to divorce the food
worship. You know what I mean? Like now I do things like um I'll eat some I come
up with interesting because chemists just in case you don't know, chemists are cooks. Like if you're a chemist,
you're going to cook things. Like you can invent things and cook things because chemistry, the chemistry of cooking is is like a thing. But uh I
make stuff just occasionally I'll want something different and I make like
these waffles. They're they're pork rind waffles and oh my god are they freaking
amazing. There's nothing in them that's not carnivore. Like there's no I do eat sweeteners but it's only stevia. I will
only have stevia and it's like pure form and it's just like a tiny bit. But I'll make these waffles and it's got pork
rinds, eggs, butter, and uh can't remember what else what it
said. Pork rind, eggs, and and I think that's it. It's like and then it makes this amazing like waffle
thing. And I'll do that occasionally, but it's got only pure ingredients. Like there's nothing in there that's bad.
Now, when you start making things like um carnivore people making things with
all of these uh powdered ingredients and processed ingredients
and weird things like you're going into the keto territory of dirty keto kind
you're going into that area of if you get too many like you've got 15 different ingredients that you're
putting together um it gets a little bit dangerous in the food addiction realm. You know what I mean? So, um, you know,
and I try not to use like powdered egg whites and things like that, you know what I mean? Like, like there's a lot of
ingredients like that. I try to stay away from that. So, occasionally I will eat something like my pork on waffles
because they're freaking awesome. Um, and I drink tea and coffee, so my carnivore card will probably be removed
at the end of this, you know, but I always say, but it's, you know, a lot of carnivores carnivores like drink um
coffee or tea or something like that. It's not good. I mean there's oxalates and you know but Rome wasn't built in a
day and it's like I I couldn't chaffy you know he's a freaking prophet and
everything but and he's like near perfect but I can't be a chaffy and do the just the red meat water and salt
forever and I don't need to because whatever I'm doing like it's not harming me. It doesn't bother me but you have to
find out what bothers you. A lot of people it does it bothers them and they have to stick to that. But luckily for
me, I can do, you know, other foods and stuff. Yeah, that uh wow, that that's uh that's
a lot. And that brings up several questions uh that I have for you.
Uh and you know, it's not just an American thing. Just to comment on that, but it's also a southern thing. food is
definitely southern, you know, and me being in the mids south, you know, in northeast Arkansas
and you originally from South Carolina, you know, that's the food is is a thing.
And, you know, we love that, especially, you know, our dressing because stuffing
is stuffed in a bird and we don't do that, you know. We just make dressings. Oh, you don't do that. You don't do that either.
I don't stuff no bird. We make dressing in a pan and that's Oh, that's cool. That I didn't know that
you guys ate that. Like so I you know I thought that was just a south south like type of thing cuz everybody else that I
talked to they're like what the heck is that? Like what are you talking about? What's dressing? What are you talking about salad dressing? I'm like no.
Yeah. And you talking about having somebody pull in your carnivore card? My wife makes a cornbread dressing you know
with with uh chicken chicken and dressing basically. And it was her mother's recipe. And so now that both of
our uh family has both passed on, my mother and dad, her mother and dad as well, but
she always makes her mother's cornbread dressing. And so who else is going to
test it? I mean, I had to be the guinea pig to test it. I said, you know, this is I said, but it's all
right. It's it's a holiday. We're going to enjoy it. We were by oursel this year. The kids were off, you know, they
all got their lives and grandkids and they're they're going to other places. And so it was just she and I on that
deal. And so I had a tablespoon or two, I guess, maybe. Well, you know what is you know what
about that now that you're saying that is that I don't think there's a problem at all with doing that. Now the key is
are you a if you're a food addict that that is something that I can't risk
because I'm a food addict. Now a lot of people aren't though. So if you wanted to like at Thanksgiving you have a
little you know bit and it doesn't make you hurt the next day and it doesn't cause consequences who cares you know
because if you look at our life before people go nuts on the carnivore like on the carnivore like
cult mentality or something. It's like it's like oh my god we used to eat ho hos and ding-dongs all the time. It's
like it's like I ate ho hos and ding-dongs and Coca-Cas every day. We don't do that anymore. You've got to look at where you
were and where you're going. Now, you do have to stay away from it. Like I did a a video talking about tips to, you know,
survive the holidays. And I said, you need to have a standard American diet or in standby to taste all your food if you
have to cook because like if you're tasting, you can taste yourself to death, you know? And I have to do that because I'm a
severe food addict and I know what'll cause the cravings and I'm not willing to risk anything for the cravings. But a
lot of people can do a little bit here and there or they can do the holiday meal and they don't have to worry about
that. That's it's going to be different for every person, you know. So I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. But some people get been out of
shape about, you know, I'm not carnivore. It's like whatever, you know. Yeah. And I want to circle back just a
little bit while it's on my mind if you don't mind, Liz, but you had mentioned something about constantly being in
ketosis. Can you share with our audience uh basically the definition
uh of what it means uh to be in ketosis and also kind of give us a rough uh
example of the differences between keto and carnivore because we have people
that are low carb uh you know highfat we have people that are looking to follow
the keto type diet and which I understand you're saying you know it's easy to fall into what's called dirty
keto you and I both know what that is. But can you explain those two three things basically what ketosis actually
means the difference between keto and carnivore? Okay. So, um, when you're in ketosis,
and the thing about the keto diet, the reason it works, if you eat standard American diet and
you're eating tremendous amount of carbs, essentially your body doesn't have the ability to burn fat anymore
because it doesn't know how because it's got to deal with all of this these huge insulin spikes and this glucose spikes
and it's dealing with carbs and it's just wearing itself out. if you're eating hundreds and hundreds of grams of
carbs all the time, which most people are. So, your body can't really burn fat
effectively. So, when you go on a keto diet, keto is where you're keeping your
carbs like under 20 and you're not ever touching a starchy carb. That's another thing to add. So, you have starchy carbs
like baked potato, breads, things like that. Okay. First of all, you blow your
your limit for the day if you tried to eat it in the first place. But also, it would it just wouldn't work very well.
So, you're looking at stuff like spinach. God forbid it's full of oxalates. That's very bad for you. But a
lot of keto people will eat spinach, greens, things that are very low in carbs. Cauliflower is a go-to for um
keto diet. And that works great for a lot of people, like limiting those carbs to under 20 a day. That's keto. And then
you have to have with keto for it to be effective, you need to have highfat um
meat. So you need to incorporate the um fatty meat because a lot of people will
make the mistake of and like I said, I was talking about starving myself. If you do keto with lean meats, you end up
starving yourself is what you end up doing. Like you're you're not and it's not going to work. You're not going to be satiated because the fat is the key.
The animal fat is the key. So, when you go keto, it'll help you lose weight and
all that kind of stuff. Now, the danger is is dirty keto is processed food. Basically, when you go in the store, if
it's got keto on the package, run the other way because it's bad. I don't even have to look at it and tell you it's bad
because I know what's in all this stuff. And um that dirty keto is not like whole
foods keto. So, clean keto is whole foods. If it grows in the ground and you can pick it, you can eat it, right? If
it's got if it's not like carrots or something, you can't eat on keto because it has too many sugars, natural sugars
and things like that. You can't have fruit and all that kind of stuff. Berries, I think, um if if they're super
low carbs, you can have a few berries and things like that on keto. But um
dirty keto is the processed keto snacks, keto bars, keto bread. There's, you
know, and it's uses the net carb trope and net carbs were invented as an
advertising campaign. The Food and Drug Administration does not back that up. They don't, that's not a def that's not
even a thing. So, even, you know, amongst the scientific community, it's not real. It's an actual PR stunt. And
it worked amazingly. It worked on me. I'm a scientist and I fell for it. So,
with that's dirty keto and you never want to go down that road. It never ends well. I've never seen anybody be success
successful like at weight loss or health or any of that doing dirty keto. And then you have you go to the carnivore
which carnivore is defined in a lot of different ways by a lot of different people. Like some people um it's animals
and and products from animals like you know um milk and cream and butter and
things like that and eggs obviously. So um but some people do lion diet. Lion
diet is red meat, water, and salt. Now, a lot of people are so sensitive to the
plant toxins and the it cause so much it causes so many problems with inflammations like
Michaela Peterson had like an ankle replacement at 14 years old. She had so
many autoimmune diseases and the autoimmune diseases that have exploded
in recent years. Okay. Um, in my opinion, and I think a lot of people
share this opinion, it's because of all of the toxic food, all of the whether it
plant toxins, just garbage, chemicals in the food, it's causing all of these
autoimmune diseases, which are really just diseases of the West. It's diseases of affluence. Like, we've become so and
and plus we're marinated in food 247. We're eating weight. We just eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and everywhere
we look you've got plenty of food and we're just bathing in it. And that in in and of itself is something that can
cause you harm, you know. Um there's a reason gluttony is not like a an
attribute, you know. It's like something bad. It's not good for your body. So,
and then on top of it, it's chemicals. It's, you know, all the toxic uh plants and things like that. So, carnivore, you
know, lion diet removes everything. It's and it's strictly ruminant animals. So
when you look at for lion diet, lion diet has ruminant animals only like um I
think buffalo, you've got lamb, you've got beef, uh to name a few. And those
animals have double it's like the double chambered or the double stomach like they basically have a a processing
facility inside themselves that double removes toxins. So their meat, their
muscle meat has way less toxins in in their meat than say a pig because a pig
doesn't have that. So if you're super sensitive, which a lot of people I mean I eat the crap out of bacon. I love
bacon and god help me if I ever couldn't eat bacon, but a lot of people can't eat like pork because the, you know, the
toxins get in the meat and then it affects them and they're very sensitive. So it depends on what you're doing it
for. A lot of people do this to lose weight only and I don't think you know um carnivore is very effective at weight
loss and you're going to be and going back to ketosis. So if you're on a carnivore or a strict keto diet, you're
going to be in ketosis. Your body is going to have to go through what's called fat adaptation. So uh because you
you know your standard American diet, you your body has no idea how to burn fat. It doesn't because when you burn
fat, you create ketone bodies in the blood and you're burn you're using that as fuel. So your brain likes that a lot
actually. And that's the reason when you get in ketosis, you have perfect mental
clarity. Like you just become it I can't even describe it. I I always say like it
makes me feel like a superhero and you have energy and you're just it's like oh you know I want to I know the meaning of
life, you know, kind of thing. So, uh, that's what keto, when you're in ketosis,
that is what that feels like. And your body is burning fat. So, um, you have to
train your body to do that, though. But once you actually go through the fat adaptation, and a lot of times people
will start carnivore or keto and they get what's called the keto flu. And a
lot of that has to do with um, you know, and I'll run back to Dr. Barry talks about back in the day when we were cave
people like we used to drink puddle water. It's like we didn't have clean processed water with nothing in it. You
had minerals and all these things or whatever. And um you know we don't got puddle water anymore. So um a lot of
times you'll be electrolyte deficient because it's such a drastic change on your body. It's rough. Sometimes you'll
dump oxalates because you know the foods you used to eat you were loaded with oxalates and then you get rid you get
rid of them in your diet and sometimes you'll dump oxalates. You can have electrolytes, get out of whack, all this
kind of stuff. You can get heart palpitations. There's a lot of things that can go on in the beginnings when you're actually transitioning. So, but
it's just a transition period. It doesn't, you know, and then you feel great, feel like a million bucks. Some people have three days of this. Some
people might have a week or two. It just depends on the person. But um that's uh
what being in ke ketosis is like. And I don't like Nick Norwitz actually said the same thing. He's like I do I don't
like the feeling of being out of ketosis. Like I don't want to eat anything that's going to kick me out. So
um that's uh one of the reasons I love this diet, you know, but you have to eat enough fat. And people are so afraid
because of Anel Keys's damage that he did years ago back in the 70s where he he lied and faked his study, his 22
country study that well- he called it a 12country study. It was really 22 countries. He just eliminated all the
countries that were inconvenient because he was paid by the sugar industry to demonize animal fat. And uh since
everybody that was the beginnings or early even before that with the advent of Crisco, it's like people started to
um you know demonize fat and it it was to cover up what the sugar industry was
doing to everybody. And so um people though that was so effective because the 90s, oh my god, we wouldn't go near
animal fat. I mean we were eating dry chicken and rice until we wanted to yank. I mean I remember those days those
were some sad times. Everybody was weak and tired and and hungry constantly and
eating dry chicken on rice, chicken breast, you know, with no fat and stuff. So, you you have to eat enough fat,
animal fat on um these diets for it to work properly is another Yeah, we were skinless, boneless,
grilled, bacon, grilled, baked, and broiled. And that was tasteless, tasteless. Yep. It was
horrible. Y Yeah. And it was bad. That's no doubt. Well, that was a great explanation. I
appreciate you sharing that with us. Um, another thing, too, it makes me think you're talking about, I'm gonna circle
back just a little bit on you here. Uh, you were talking about coming home and cooking for the kids and things like
that. Um, what kind of uh type of food do you eat
on a day-to-day basis? Are you pretty standard? Are you do you deviate and and
kind of uh switch it up a little bit? Uh, another thing too as I think about we were talking about the dressing and
and Thanksgiving and and gatherings like we have you know in the south and well the whole country does but you know what
I'm talking about us being southern folk but uh how does your family and your
friends uh co-workers different ones how were they how did they actually take that when you just you know you made the
choice hey I've got to make a change and I'm going to start today and I'm going to be carnivore.
Mhm. Well, you know, it's funny. Um because at home, like teenagers don't
pay attention what they don't care what you're eating. You know what I mean? It's like and you don't really get to get everybody's going different ways,
you know, for kids that age cuz they were it was about three years ago. So, they were I mean older teenagers, you
know, um they had jobs and whatever. So, you know, nobody noticed what I was eating kind of thing as far as the home
goes. Now, at work, that was a different story because they pretty much just um
they're gonna ask you, "Okay, what are you eating?" And and another thing that I do that um was it's one of my hacks
because I like I said, I drink coffee, but this is the funniest thing like at work. They literally think they want to
just commit me because I do this like um I drink butter coffee. So, I put butter
in my coffee, which is the most amazing thing. And I need to get rid of coffee. I know, but it is the best thing since
pockets. It's amazing. I mean, I, you know, how can all of these Tibetan monks
be wrong? I think they've been doing this for like, I don't know, thousands of years, but I had never heard of it. So, I get the really good KY Gold butter
and I put it in my coffee. And I do drink heavy cream, but heavy cream actually um causes me to uh clear my
throat a lot or something because I get mucus or whatever. It's not that bad, but I really need to drop the heavy
cream. But I'll put the heavy cream in it and occasionally I'll put MCT very very very clean MCTC C8 fraction um oil
in there because that's um it's like the it's like a fraction. It's triglycerides is what it is and um man that jacks your
ketones up through the roof honestly. So that is an exception to carnivore because it's not carnivore but it's
fractionated. It's so purified it's only the C8 like the eight carbon chain
portion of the MCT oil. So, it's it's not just a mixture of stuff, but you put
all that in your coffee and you whip it up or whatever. And they see me doing this and they're just like, "Did you
just put butter in your coffee?" So, now they make fun of me on a regular basis because I put butter in my coffee. But,
you know what's interesting is that when I lost all the weight and I got to my goal weight, they're like, "Huh? Huh?
What are you doing?" And it's funny to watch people um because they'll ask me about it now. They want to know, you
know, because they see what I'm doing. They see how active I am. They see how energetic I am. They see um how much
weight I've lost and how much healthier I am. And I don't ever go to the doctor. And all them, most of the people that
I'm talking to are on all kinds of pills. They're on anxiety pills. They're on like um you know, Paxel and all of
these SSRIs and or I know people who have taken ambient for sleep for 12
years. That's you're not supposed to prescribe that for that long. they've taken uh proton pump inhibitors for like
10 years um you know for acid uh reflux and all this kind of stuff and they they're just on all kinds of drugs and
then they're like oh okay what you know and I say I reversed all my medical conditions they're like what do you take
I'm like nothing you know at 58 and I don't take a pill at all for anything um
it's pretty amazing so but what I hear people say when they're talking to me it's like and then some people have
tried it and I do have a coworker that did try it at at work that I'm pretty close to. And she's now she smokes. She
hasn't quit smoking. But um and I always tell her, I said, "You're messing up my experiment with the smoking." I said,
"You're like my test subject." I said, "You're doing so good. You've been on carnivore for like two years." And her back pain's gone. So she even reversed a
lot of her conditions and she feels great. And she's like, "No, I just love my bacon and eggs every day." You know, so um that's a positive that she
actually listened to me. Now I'm trying to get my sister to do it and but it's not no and and they're so brainwashed.
Like my sister goes, "Well, that hurts your kidneys." And I'm like, "Oh my god, that's made up." I'm like, "Would you
please stop believing what everybody's saying?" And you know, it's it's this very very strict brainwashing. Very very
effective brainwashing, you know. And I did a video today like uh talking about the labbotomy which was a thing that
that was people they used to take an ice pick and sh and cram it through people's eyeballs. These are the same it's the
same thing now where you're saying oh you can't you meat's going to cause you to have heart disease and blah blah
blah. All of these things that they're saying it's just like the fact that guess what they thought was a good idea.
They thought jamming an ice pick in your eyeball was a good idea like before. It's the same thing. History repeats.
Like what was it? Solomon said, "There's nothing new under the sun." Okay? It's the same thing over and over and over
again. It's like, and so I I went through all of the medical horror stories and things that they were like,
"This is great. This is a good idea. Do this." You know, and and look what it turned out to. I mean, you have dees,
which was a drug that um they gave to pregnant women, and their daughters
have vaginal cancer. their children grew up to have vaginal cancer. They're having to track that generationally
because they did that much damage. Okay? So, they thought it was great. They were feeding it to everybody. So, it's the
same thing with nutrition. It's like they don't know everything and they're wrong about a lot of stuff. And we're on
the cusp of finding out that they were wrong about all that stuff. My daddy ate the crap out of Crisco. Like that. My
mother was told by the doctors and by everybody, you got to get rid of animal fat and eat Crisco. So, she changed his
diet and she fed him Crisco all the time and vegetable oils and he died of he had
horrible arterial sclerosis. He actually had to have an artery like replaced and stuff and um he was very very sick
person. So, and and none of this all of this is a miserable failure. It's been a
big fat miserable failure. When you see processed food, the production of processed food and seed oils and you
know the just explosion of all that, you see the heart disease and the obesity doing this in a graph. You know what I
mean? And they're like correlation not causation's not correlation blah blah blah and all that stuff. It's like yeah,
but I mean I've got eyeballs and I have a brain so and I have common sense, you
know. It's like you go to the doctor and they don't cure anything. Nothing's getting any better. and we go to the
doctor over and over and over again and they can't cure anything. I'm like, you're a failure. You failed to give me
my money back now. You know, it's like that's what I feel like, you know. Yeah. So,
absolutely. I'm sorry. I'm kind of rant I'm kind of ranting because I get passionate about that.
I love that and I'm glad you did. I really appreciate that. Uh, a couple two or three quick questions while we uh
kind of round this up and and pull it back in. uh when you got going on
carnivore real good, what was some of the surprising benefits that you never
dreamed of that you didn't maybe even didn't even realize you had an issue, but uh now you realize I did have an
issue and it was obviously taken care of by my diet.
Yeah. One of the things that um you know and it's funny there's so many things sometimes I forget all the things and
I'll be oh yeah oh yeah this thing that thing and it just comes back in my mind I need to write them all down on a piece
of paper because there's smaller things like um I had I had been diagnosed with PTSD because I was in a motorcycle
accident where um I a woman I was we lived in Florida and a woman pulled out
in front of us and it was so sudden we were going 45 miles an hour and I was on the back and I went through the back
windshield and landed in her lap. Like it was very traumatic cuz when you go
your body goes through a windshield and I came too and I looked at her I was like are you okay? I can I mean because
you're just in shock. I crawled out the way I came in and um l I don't know somebody was looking after me because I
I didn't have any damage like bodily damage because I was had full leathers and everything but I was it was so like
um it was detrimental to my psyche. So anytime I would be driving down the road
I would I would tense up like I assumed that people were going to smash into me
after that. So, I had huge PTSD problems, you know, and I didn't take drugs. Like, they try they put me on
some drugs, but I mean, I was like anti-drug or whatever, so I didn't take drugs for that, but um I probably, you
know, back then I I looked like I needed to because I was so like jumpy when I would drive or and I couldn't ride with
anybody. And so what I noticed one day and it's after carnivore. I had been on
carnivore and I'm driving and for whatever reason I realized, oh my god, like I passed an intersection and I
didn't tense up like that went away. And that was shocking to me that I was like,
oh my god, that went away. And I'm trying to think, oh, and another thing, one of the things that was amazing, so
the PTSD went, you know, kind of diminished. Uh but another thing that happened was that uh I had and this was
weird but the first year and this turned into something different the third year but I mean it's still all good and I'm
sleeping through the night like a baby and everything but in the beginning what I realized is that carnivore would put
me to sleep like at a certain time of night because I'm a type of person where I'll just keep going. I just want to
stay up all night. I don't want to sleep like even I've never wanted to sleep. I wish that we were we as humans didn't
have to sleep because it annoys me to have to sleep, you know, because I'm always I don't know. I'm engaged all the
time. But I I would it's like transmissions from Mars. I would be
doing something on the computer and all of a sudden I would just run down like like someone just sucked my power and
I'm going down like you're it's like you're going down in the chair or you're going down into bed so get where you're going to be because you're going down.
It would put me to sleep. And that seems to me to be a normal thing that your
body should do because it's time for bed, right? And it would be like 10 or 11. And it put me to sleep. I'd sleep.
I'd wake up at 5 without an alarm clock. That was one of the most amazing things is like, oh my god, like first of all,
it's put me to sleep. I don't have to try. I don't have to force myself to go get in the bed because it's putting me
down. you know, now that changed to where um I actually can push through it.
The third year I started to be able to push through it. But that's another thing is that the energy that carnivore
gives you, I was going till 2, three in the morning, like making content or working on my novels or something like
that and then I was getting up at 5 and that's bad. You can't do that. So
carnivore can give you so much energy that you can start to abuse yourself if you if you're dumb like me. So I had to
like reign that back said look you got to have sleep because you're you that's bad for your heart it's bad for your body it's bad for everything like you've
got to get enough sleep and uh I had so year three just not that long ago like I
had started to push through and I I mean I can just go and go like the Energizer Bunny. So that also was an amazing
development on carnivore you know. Yeah. I just I'm going to pull my glasses off. I totaled my Harley out in
2010 and that's why my eye looks the way it does. Wow. I I won't go into that a whole lot. I'll tell that story someday. That's a
for another video. But but you get the PTSD part then, I'm sure. Well, what Yeah, I'll talk about that
for a minute because for several months and even possibly even years um I
wondered um you know, he's talking about somebody looking out for you. I thought, Lord, why'd you spare me? because uh you
know the way it turned out I went through an intersection and um totaled
my Harley completely out but uh and I landed in a ditch and uh and I wondered
about that for a long time because when you look at this T intersection uh there's road signs there's about
three or four road signs with metal post sitting in the middle and I went right
between the middle of them and when I went down when I seen it coming I went down and I I laid my Harley over and
kicked it off of me, kicked it away from me and I went sliding to the left and my Harley it the the foot pegs hit in the
asphalt caught in the asphalt and flipped way up in the air and landed I don't know probably 50 or
75 feet away from me and then I landed in a ditch and I often wondered I
thought you know Lord why why did you spare me? you could have taken me home then, but he didn't. He
didn't. And so, you know, I tell my story and I have a long version of that story. It's uh
I was two weeks pregnant and I didn't know it. Wow. But I tell my son, I'm like, "You're the
little boy who could who flew through the air like you're a superhero." But so I was two weeks pregnant. I had no idea.
Wow. Which was weird, you know? That was freaky. Well, you know, you mentioned something about making content earlier. Let's talk
about that for just a minute. Uh, what made you decide to start a YouTube
channel? I cannot shut up and everybody wants me to. That's that is literally it. So, I'm
like and I did Dave Well, the first thing I did was I did Dave Max um uh
thing because I was watching and he's trying to get people on. I'm like, "Okay, it's like I like to run my mouth,
so I'll just, you know, tell my story and that kind of thing." And also I'm a hor I I write um I've published um like
they're like horror horror suspense like novels, okay? You know, and so that part
of my life that I do is a creative side of me, you know, and you know, that's from years ago or whatever. And then um
you know so it works pretty good because you know it's a creative endeavor a lot of times like some of the time you know
and then it's also the analytical side of me is the teaching side and the and I want to get I want people to know that
these people who feel like me who sitting in the ER they're looking around at all these sad sick people and the
little voices in your head telling you to go get a cream horn. I want to scream to the rooftops. No, you don't have to
get a cream horn. like there's there's they're doing this to you. You can stop it. You can make it stop or you can
reverse it. And because I don't, you know, I wish somebody would have told me that, you know, which nobody I know knew
that, but and they didn't know the answer, but uh you know, that was important to me to be able to talk. And
then you can't shut up when you go carnivore. It's like you're watching miracles happen and you want to tell
people and they're just looking at you like, "You eat only meat?" you know, it's like, what do you mean you eat only
meat? That's not healthy. You got to have your vegetables. So, it gets frustrating when you're, you
know, uh, screaming in the wilderness kind of thing. So, I started with Dave Mack and then I was like, you know, I'll
go ahead and I'll do because I had had I've done like YouTube years and years ago, like because I'm a gamer,
but, you know, not like serious stuff or whatever. But then, you know, I was
like, "Hey, this works out." And I just do it because I like doing it and I just cover stuff that I like covering. And,
um, it's been going, you know, decent. You know, it's slow or whatever, but but I'm able to get it out because my
co-workers were going to lock me in a room and throw away the key if I didn't shut up. So, you know, and my family
doesn't want to hear it either, but you know, Well, I'm glad you make it. You make good content. You're funny. And
you know, it's uh yeah, it's pretty entertaining some things, but it's very serious, too, on on many notes that you
you bring about the uh the truth to people, and that's what we want to do. We want to share the truth because,
you know, as you and I both know, we've been lied to for so many years and we've been so brainwashed and we're so
accustomed to to uh you know, eating ritualistically in a sense
and it's been uh as you said earlier, you know, the the medical field, which I'm not a doctor and I don't claim in
claim to be or offering any medical advice or whatever, but you know, the
the the the way that the medical industry
um operates is it's not healing anything. And that was been my experience is you know what the problems
that I was having with diabetes is you know they wanted to they didn't want to talk to me about
diet and exercise. They just first thing wanted to bring me in and discuss my options for uh you know some type of
treatment. And I told my wife when when that happened, when I got that news, I told her, I said, "Listen,
I'm not going on Moonjaro and I'm not going to have any gastric bypass surgery or anything like that. I'm not getting
on metformin. I've eaten my way into this condition and Lord willing, I'm going to eat my way out of it." And
that's exactly what I did. And so I lost currently I've lost 55 pounds and I went
from 7.5 A1C down to 5.3 in 90 days. Oh wow. Wow. Yeah. So it, you know, and
and and I knew I had to make some changes because of as you said earlier
in the show, you talking about having a pain and I had a serious pain and I and I know, you know, it was fatty liver and
of course I had a brother and a nephew to pass away from pancreatic cancer, both of them. And I didn't want to have any problems
there. And so I had to make some changes. And that was my why. And that's why I've kind of transitioned. I'm I'm
never going to get away from the cast iron side, but I do I have been implementing more of the carnivore keto
type and doing interviews with people and that's kind of why I did that. So, I'm I appreciate you sharing why you
created uh your channel. Uh can you kind of give us an idea with our audience of
where they can follow you before we wrap this up? Yeah, right now I mean I have um
an ex account but I forgot what it is. It's like I don't I don't I think I'm
meaty science or something like that which I don't I barely ever go on to X. I'm just not one of those. Yeah, I'm not
a Twitter person really. I mean I have it and I go there but I'm on YouTube and it's the Carnivore Science channel. So
awesome. That's where I'm at. We'll post that down in the description and everything and pin comment. Uh one
last thing before we go. Um, for someone that may be on the fence here, someone that may be just starting
out doing some research, they've run across this video of two people talking about this way of life. you know,
they're not sure, they're skeptical, and yet there also may be someone also that has just started just kind of sticking
their toes in the water and getting going and uh you know, they're kind of curious of what to do and want to make
sure that they're doing it right and not messing up, making mistakes or whatever. Can you share with our audience uh some
advice that you would have if they're looking to start out? Yeah, I think the most important thing
is is that um carnivore specifically this is um a diet where you can't do it
for a weekend to get into a dress or you can't do it for a couple of weeks. It's
not something like that. And in the beginning when you actually start carnivore, you might have to go kind of
slow like and I always recommend to some people depending on what their issue is. if they're trying to go lion diet
because they're trying to get because they're so sensitive to everything that they're having pain and stuff, that's a
little different. But for most people, sometimes if you do keto and you ease into carnivore, it's easier because it's
not such a shock to your system. Because if you're going from standard American diet to um carnivore,
uh you're going to number one, you're going to go through sugar withdrawals. There's a lot that's going to happen, but it is a transition period. It's it
doesn't last forever. And then once you're actually through that transition period, not having those cravings and
not, you know, if you're an addict, most of us are food addicts. If you're on the standard American diet, you're definitely a food addict, probably. And
if you're going through that situation, you know that the other side of that is freedom. the the shackles, the ball and
chain that is attached to your leg that you've been trying to get rid of for your entire life. You can get rid of it,
but you just got to get through the hardest part because it's like any other addiction. It's horrible. I I I was um
Dave Mack was talking about how it's easier in a lot of ways to get rid of
alcohol than it was sugar and carbs. And I'm talking about breads and pastas and
all of those things because they are just as addictive as any crack ever thought about being to be honest. It's
just a different kind of addiction. You know what I mean? So, but if you can get through that transition period, you know, take
electrolytes, do the electrolytes, do all the things you need to do so that you don't eat enough salt so that you
don't, you know, the keto flu is not as bad. If you can get through that, on the other side of that is some miraculous
results. So, yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. That's great advice. I appreciate you sharing that
with our audience. Wow. What a great conversation we've had and I certainly want to give a big thanks to you, Liz,
for coming on and sharing your wisdom and your knowledge and your sense of humor with us and everything. I've
really enjoyed this. And thank you so much for having me. You're quite welcome. You're quite
welcome. And I'm sure we'll see you around in the YouTube community. And folks, if you've not yet subscribed to
my channel, now's a good time to do so. If you have any comments or questions about anything Liz and I have spoken
about today, be sure and leave those in the in the comments section and uh we'll try to get back and answer those for
you. And uh we look forward to coming back again. You guys have a great day. Now it's Mike over here at Carnivore uh
Cast Iron Carnivore. So we'll see you guys later. Bye bye. Bye.