this video is sponsored by Squarespace hello I'm Jeff hello I'm
Patrick oh that was the wrong camera I'm out of practice that's Ross um hello I'm
Patrick and I am still an idiot I'm spoilers now it would seem this is
R this is this is going to go so great face y hey finally got you on
brilliant yes brilliant for those that don't know already Ross is officially friend of the channel and uh fan of the
channel fan of the channel friend of the channel and has been a real bit of a rock and help to us in the past so and
ongoing so we were really really pleased to have you on board and I suggested a couple of
minutes ago that we should talk about you and then the subject and you went no don't talk about me let's talk about the
subject and we'll get you we promise we'll have you back for a more in-depth one with regards to what is your
specialty is 3D printing going to kill Games Workshop that's what I'm know for
is Ross going to kill there's there's the
thumbnail kill there we go that's the next show
folks look out for that but you're here in capacity today in the fact that we've
been convention buddies for the second time now haven't we it's been great I've loved it yeah friends like it's the
whole like related to war Gamers and stuff I'm I'm like you guys I've got no friends these guys are local I'm just
like please be my friend it's nice it's nice it's it like I it's quite like an isolating experience I think sometimes
definitely is being like Oh no I need to spend 10 hours painting this and then 20 hours editing it yeah yeah exactly that
yeah yeah it's it's a fun game isn't it the old the old YouTube lck but yeah I know we've been convention buddies too
now we've got two down L yes and adepticon M so me and Pat did a video
previously about Elio cuz we both went we sadly this time I had to go without
my wingman and um and but you very kindly stepped in and
became painting Fe videographer for a few days did yeah and we've got some great footage that you there might be
some footage that you can currently downloading to my computer yeah that you kindly took on uh on Pat's behalf which
we're really thankful of thank you very much yeah no worries I mean I did it completely selfishly it wasn't for you
guys at all I I had a plan to do my own video um which I'm I'm doing a video
about my failed video on my channel but I was doing my own video and then I got about an hour into the day and realized
I don't have enough time to do this at a com like I would need me you and you not
doing what we were there for to get that idea done there's so much to do when I was at lvo um like Byron kept saying
like oh get off and get some footage and stuff and I was like what I was wondering around getting shots of stuff
and I was like what video am I going to be able to make out of this a chat show exactly it is just
we're just going to talk about our experiences then who who we are doing the same thing just the problem footage
the problem with lvo is because we're not a tactic show it's not a really easy place to make a video out of is it
because we don't over who did what in the standard and what armies did back yeah welcome to the Las Vegas open if
you're not here for the open there's a selection of uh 17 stands where you can
buy paint and brushes and some 3D printed models but this was different wasn't it this was yes not the same
thing and I think it opened your eyes a bit it did really open my eyes immediately open my eyes because um we
got there on the first day uh well we we we landed the night before and then we got there we got in there on the Wednesday and unlike alio we had an
entire day to set up which quite oh instead of the instead of the half day
yeah yeah you can because it doesn't open till the Thursday but they unlike Elio they allow you in on the Wednesday
have a whole day set up yeah and it really did feel like you were on a building site didn't it it was just vast
amounts of stands all going in all at the same time and it was people waiting on their Freight and all the rest of it
was included unfortunately well organized really well organized they kept us up to date and
everything and yeah but at first I thought oh I was expecting it to be a b
bigger thing than this and then I think it might have been you and you know that them walls E de side was come down and I
was like no so I sort of took a little mini walk the other way and walked around and then there's a vast amount of
tournament tables and then if you walk the other way around the other wall there's a vast amount of tournament table so the walls come down and then it
really feels like an event doesn't it yeah yeah cuz I tell you thrice Thrice the size of the room you start in which
is which is already Thrice the size of the vendor Hall at lbo and that's just one room I like how many times you said
Thrice Thrice yeah Thrice and need get in Twain in somewhere as well that see the one that caught me out initially was
um not knowing that that wall was going to come down yeah was I don't know if you remember but when we were at lvo a
couple of stalles away from hus we had uh the wonderful guys from Dice Baron who has a really big banner yes well
that Banner was behind us yeah and I I thought that's a really big banner to
put up when you're just staring straight at us and I was thinking and that's a really
tiny walkway how was anyone going to get round and I was thinking thought I wouldn't have put that banner up if I was going to on the reverse sides of
this and then when you went that wall comes out was like ah right and then when you went round when the wall was
down if you went that way dice bar looked really really big cuz they got a big stall anyway but a really big stall
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we and on Thursday and St out chops it was Bonkers oh without a doubt without a
doubt I started doing some filming for me and then I got back to the booth probably an hour and a half after I'd
started and grabbed a couple of people we'd spoke to the night before and it was at that point I remember but uh
Byron's brought me here to help out on the booth and the booth was heaving the
entire time the entire time I was at lvo everybody kept saying I remember you
said oh just wait till the depts come just wait until very much yeah Ross you said that many times KN and it wasn't um
especially on the first day I think because um we're just so busy and I did
manage to run away and grab like 45 minutes for lunch cuz Ed who is the event organizer for artus who we were
working for great really wonderful guy is very good at making sure everybody is fed and watered yeah and um and I got a
little bit of a sense of it when I went and got me lunch but over days I think you start the more time you spent in the
place unlike lvo which is not lv's fault because people are there for a you know
in for a lot of people quite a serious reason of trying to to to win uh their their particular tour with
the dented but as you were spending more time there you realize um adepto Conor is like I was
saying to pass it's like oh it's like a a war game in Village isn't it days a community feel for all the people just
painting and sitting around the table any flat someone was oh all painting yeah like there were people upstairs
just in the bar like there was a bar in the middle of the thing and I walked up to get a drink one day and there was just a guy sat there on a table in the
bar painting his menis like there wasn't a flat surface was
paint on it was just I you think to yourself I thought they hated me cuz I tell you what I can't paint for more
than 10 minutes without knocking something over wonder if they that established
with it that when they come to clean the table I had left it gone to my fist on
red some non is over there but you do that like cons are different like I've been lucky enough to go to a few now
with Byron and with Artis Opus and thank you to those guys I'm sure we'll thank them again but like L LV and Nova are
very much about the game I believe I've not been to Nova but I understand it's similar to that you've then got your other cons which are very board gamey
like Jen carness and Spiel their just generic board game yeah but adepticon is
Hobby and it doesn't matter what part of the hobby is it gaming is it painting you've got paint like all it's hobby if
you like the hobby this is place it felt it felt like uh I think the best way I can put
it was it felt like our like it was our convention you know I I it was lovely
because at one point in time I um one of the I I I was on was I don't think I was
on my lunch but I was on my own for one bit and and I walked around the behind the escalators where it would take you
to go to the bar there's a big area where people just sit in a large oblong of tables painting yeah just painting
and and was really nice and I just stopped to some guy and I said I said are you're night Lord to really really cool and then I said you looking forward
to new light night Lords models coming out with kill team and then he started speaking and I was like I said where you
from he was like oh I'm I'm um Danish and we were chatting a while and then the really lovely thing he was he was
working away on this contempt to dreadn and then when me and you went around the cabinets on the Saturday night that
dreadn was then in the cabinet painting his golden still painting his the Hotel
Inc yeah and it was a really it and the nice thing about it is um you're never
considered nosy are you if you stop and speak to anybody and going what are you doing m they really happy to to go I'm
doing this or I'm playing this or and it was it it was probably
um I think it's the the nicest Mass environment because I've
been to Birmingham games Expo I've been to games days GW games days in the past
but this was the felt like the most sort of all Encompass and oh yeah nice
environment to be around people that to do what we do you're more likely to find people at this event who are at least
somewhat into your thing yeah like you like UK games Expo some people could be there for chess there could be a chess
tournament going on for all we know but here it's like and chess is fine no no disrespect to the chess fans out there
the mil game it is I remember was it um oh who's it who's it I think it was Bob
talking abith yeah talking about chess pieces and how you can you know you can
look at a piece from a a gaming distance a couple of feet away and go yeah that's a rook that's a knight that's the king
that's the queen everything's so instant recognizable I oh so clever it's good for design inspiration that good for
design inspiration yeah love chess so welcome to the chess phas yeah
yeah off to let's play stuck down that road I am horrifically bad at
chess is this is this what it's become is it become a it's the damage rolls I always confused by I always I think they
they really need to take rerolls out the game off chess because there's just no consequences anymore for bad rolls yeah
when I found out that I couldn't that my night couldn't have an invulnerable save I thought this this might not be the
game for me wait wait for the next Edition yeah we'll see what happens when there'll be a rules update soon when
when chess uh Version 9 million 42 comes out we clearly we clearly all understand
how chess Works absolutely yeah but um yeah it was a it
and and the thing as well as which was nice as well is that when we would close of an evening
all of the vendors were all very happy to speak to each other everyone was quite Community everyone sort of add each other's back a little bit yeah
especially on the um especially on the first day cuz the amount of people running around in blind panic saying to
each other have you got a knife have you got a pen oh God yeah everyone no one had turned up with the right am of any
equipment because you're either flying or driving and obviously like getting through with a knife everybody's hobby
knife or craft knife or box opener is in the last box under every other box on
I remember last time Byron was like has anyone got any Chaos
Black still couldn't get any we got so bad for spray in in for having undercoat
was that Byron actually said if a customer is prepared to go and buy chaos
black spray we'll give them brushes for him yeah Sensational CU it it was that
yeah so for some reason like and it's not like GW didn't take sprays they took sprays there were sprays there there no
chaos black so maybe they understand like that'll be in such high demand I mean the cues for their Booth were were
huge the entire time really especially the first day because was there any like new releases that were there or uh yes
uh did 30 wasn't did 30k guard come out so so but what most people because
it was weird because on the first day we we opened and we did get very quickly a
massive Rush on but initially no one could get to us cu the queue all the way down our aisle was heading to the games
W and that was because of the two um exclusive Miniatures two two well they
convention Miniatures aren't they not just them Friends of the at least the con friends uh Monument Hobbies they had
a queue halfway up the aisle as well oh wow so yeah absolutely huge that's good
for them yeah because there was the limited edition crout and that sort of
wasn't that yeah the bird be face I remember yeah like the night from oh yeah I saw a picture pretty cool I did
really like that one to be honest like I'm normally a 40K guy but that that Sigma model really ever increasingly as
as me and Jeff say to each other in all these releases we were like yeah 4K stuff is okay oh the sigma models look
so good yeah it's weird I like you going to play Sigma no I like the Miniatures a
lot more of the game I don't want to play exactly yeah yeah it's since cities I think isn't it like since cities came
out really started yeah they're repealing and they were you know and
also as well and I think which we'll talk about a bit more and a bit but reflected in Golden demon some of the golden demon from Asia Sigmar and was
really B but yeah so initially when we opened up there was a massive big queue of people heading to gamees workshop and
then once that sort of filtered out the way then it just went Bonkers didn't it oh yeah it was absolutely Bonkers I um I
already on the first day felt like I was losing my ability to talk and um and I
was saying to Pat earlier when I woke up for my old man's we in the middle of the night and found out that one of my feet
didn't work completely just stopped working and you know I was touching
though that I got to the toilet in time to be fair as I dragged my useless just like crawling yeah almost I dragged this
useless side sty in flap of meat dragged it towards the toilet but um yeah that
was quite but but they're Shor of days aren't they that does help like so instead cuz I think um lvo we were there
like 8 till 8 w we for the days here was 10 till 6 so it's a more reasonable yeah
like retail day working act J but it was far hard but it was funny because it was
like 4 hours less which was great yeah but I felt like I did I was as busy as I
had been if I'd been doing the amount of running around and dealing with people yeah I think we felt busier on the
Thursday than lvo felt in total it
okay nonstop non it was brilliant though like I I don't know about you but the energy of a con is the most exhausting
work I've ever done to a degree yeah um bear in mind I've never had your
career I wouldn't get up at 5:00 a.m. um but yeah it's some of the most exhausting work you can do because it's
non-stop you cannot stop talking you are sore in your muscles in your throat but it's so rewarding and you can't like I
by the time it came to the end I was I was glad it was done but I was sad it was over yes yes I did feel that I when
I got to Sunday night after we packed up and I thought I know it would make sense because we packed up but I did think myself if this convention had gone
another day I think that probably would have been the end of you know if it'd been a Monday I think that would have
literally wiped me out because it was pretty full on so was it four four days there it Friday Friday Saturday Sunday
with W so five with wed that was only four or five hours no it wasn't too bad and the the funny
thing is though unlike Vegas where I sort of felt when we did Vegas when we finished I couldn't wait to go yeah and
we with this we quite happily could have just which we did two nights where we could wait to go cuz we've been stuck on
a coach learning about Joshua trees for yes nobody even did you you
explained that didn't you on the lbo thing but unless you were there you cannot understand the pain of this 4our
conversation want to just go after the guy but it was it was an experience he still got mention while we this one but
um but we but at the end of every day though you I didn't on the days that we
we we did stay behind it didn't feel like a it didn't feel like a a drama to go well we'll just go upstairs and eat
there and hang around cuz it was such a just such a lovely environment yeah I was happy to but we did we did um we did
go out and um and and have some more so than I think in Vegas we we we had quite
well didn't a nice company we we at one night with the monument hobby guys as we
desperately try I tried desperately tried to explain to them what mushy peas are which was they didn't have a clue
which took up quite a considerable amount of time I mean I'm I'm not like a I'm not a mushy pea fan like when when
Goose fa's on inh you've got to there's there's the mushy pea stand and they
have TVs with like somebody with a really broad accent talking about the history of peas and I'm just and he be
like oh my dad's dad he used to get up in the morning and mush every pee individually um and they really go hard
on the mushy peas especially in Notting him we explain that you can also have mushy peas you know generally consumed
with fish and chips but you can have them minted and then in a bread roll and
then that became a that to me is quite bizarre yeah and it's a very notic thing I've never at that in Liverpool I've
never at a minted pee in Liverpool but then it to a sub a subcategory of
conversation which to me was really bizarre that they didn't that the monument gang didn't understand is what
is mint sauce oh yeah they think when they said minted they just mint of like
as in as mint as in a savy thing and then having to explain that mint sauce is finely chopped mint leaves in know
like a vinegar type sauce of a paint medium and it's flavored exactly that and it was a bit
like you know horse rat you know the way you treat horseradish well I know you and then the whole problem is going I
know you don't eat a lot of lamb but imagine you were eating lamb and it was just it was was two hours of like different
foods and us arguing that that like cheese in America is not cheese like
they do have good cheeses but we couldn't find them anywhere no and their chocolate's crap what I disagree there
no it's like eating soil I I I need to on behalf of our of your American
viewers is wrong I brought a is it a six I think
it's a sixpack or an eight pack of like Hershey's with um biscuit in like every night I've been like AAR probably why
I'm still feeling bad from from the event I tell you what we did get which was it was it the only good chocolate in
America is the stuff that makes you go to sleep yeah why do this CH very nice cuz it's
got Nock today this video is sponsored by squ
space and it actually will be yeah but um but as well to be fair
which was a really lovely thing what was the name of the lovely lady who is the main person for setting up a Depon uh I
I want to say Cheryl but it's not that um but there was a lot was the name it's
yes shell runs a little although being like one of the major people involved in the whole thing um also ran a little
stand where when you were setting up on the first day which was a really lovely thing when you were setting up on first day there was water fruit crisps all
just for the V people inredible really quite difficult yeah and then and
then on um on the Saturday which is because it's deemed the busiest day um
we had which I thought were a thing of myth and Legend after watching lots of American movies Girl Scout cookies of
different VAR yes where were they where were they yeah they were on the same stand were they I
had the crisps I see I have Quavers for breakfast so yeah I went straight for the crisps oh I can I I I can never eat
Quavers after my friend described them as I'm going to have to beep all of this out but he was just like they taste and
smell uh and look like for the emperor P the UN I've never eaten Quavers again oh
my God is that going to be in the show some to some degree it'll a Vari of it I
forgot I'll just put this the Space Marine sensing machine we did that was part of the
conversation there wasn't it we got on to crisps and the monument guys were like what a quav and it's like they're like they're like cheese crisp they
quave yeah they were like what is quing yeah does one quave um yeah it's
very common English word we all know what quav is if you say it's it's a piece of fried potato but it's got a
quave in it obvious what that is yeah yeah totally spiffing um yeah I think
the nice thing as well wasn't it was seeing which I even you know can think it's only my second convention but
thinking a meeting customers who I met at Elio so which was really nice there
people I I I realized I remember shout out to Sergio bluehead Sergio get to
Blue we'll get to bluehead Sergio in a minute oh and um D you Sergio what have
you done oh we have and and yeah and and then loads of and
increasingly more and more vendors that we knew already as well wasn't it like say we're we're quite tight with the the
the lovely people at Monument were um talking to dice Baron and but increasingly people was walking around
going I met you last time and it was and that was really really nice isn't it yeah did you say multiple people brought
you teabags yes the G the lovely gentleman who runs uh Games Workshop us
brought me um I've just got the title of this video brought me tea bags brought me tea bags and the thing and it can't
be especially be in mind he's an American chap brought me PG tips and brought me a packet of digestives oh
very good and you know milka yeah yeah yeah like
the European jaff cakes milka Jaffer cakes why again I was there and I didn't
see any of these they went all and open we did we went a bit silly on day one we we got a load of snacks and then we like
right from Target and we'll we'll put them under the counter so obviously customers can't see them and it you know looks nice and pretty didn't touch we
didn't have time to touch them for the entire and the worst of that was me and me and uh me and Ross here went to
Target to get food and then because we had to take Byron being the strict vegan
that he is into consideration yes we had like borderline existential breakdowns and
we V at one point Ross was like Ross was
like if it's got no flavor and it's dry is that something a vegan canita which a
woman in the that is the funniest thing I've ever heard and she walked C
brilliant What was the um what was the spoof video about cucumber pizzas so
yeah so I forget he's he's a really popular YouTuber but I never forget his name everyone will recognize him it's like yeah the Cucumber Pizza is made um
sorry not the the vegan pizza so for a base you slice cucumbers lay them out like a base and then for a sauce you
blend a cucumber and and make a sauce but then you also need toppings so if you slice a cucumber and put them on top
that's that's a topic sadly they didn't sell lemon Target for Byron did they so we just we looked for like nuts
and Grains and bird seed and and things like that he seemed happy enough he did yeah yeah that you know he thought if
you could put it on a tray in your garden so the wild local Wildlife Byron
would be quite happy to meet that no since he's are you know lots of energy
out exactly it'll be 160 yeah he'll get the last laugh when we're all dead
eventually there'll be an adepticon left there'll be an adep be so everybody else
will have passed away every other company will have fizzled out yeah but um yes and then the thing that we had to
do which was forus wasn't it was one night we um we deted a really nice Mexican restaurant fat Rosies fat Rosies
and then we went back the following night y we was we were basically too many of us really for the table so we we
did the the nice thing and the four the four minions as we were we were yeah yeah we we stepped out and went next
door to uh a pizzeria and had oh what was it called it wasn't giovanis it was
something it's a really popular one that everyone recommends you go to chag people from Chicago will be screaming at
any there will be there will be comments it's clearly this Geor if you remember I'll I'll put the name like underne it
or something but um had my first ever Chicago which was basically like someone
had Wrestled a lasagna inside something a little bit like a pizza and it was
amazing but but we didn't get how it worked did we cuz like you go down you look chees under the sauce well it's not
so much that it's more like you look at your portion they did small medium large I think we got a small each didn't we we
got a small each and the only sensible person was our our friend Ed a single
saving one we like smaller than a small who'd have that and
then when you realize you forget that you're in the US they B them on tears didn't they they so like my pizza was on
the bottom then there were like two like like on cake stands almost if you will
wow okay so yeah you had to actually have them on different levels just so they fit on the table you know I'm a man
who famously can put his food away but I think I got two slices in and thought I think I think I'm broken yeah I think
I'm managed through I think it was sliced into six and I either managed 30 or4 cuz I did come back with pizza yeah
in a box that I thought I'll eat the next day and it went in me backpack and it never seen the light of again and I
was really upset that I didn't eat it and the thing that annoyed me most at least you brought yours home well I didn't bring it back to the UK but but I
did a thing going how long can you how long can you leave you know Pizza people
The Annoying Thing is and i' found out that he was a fridge in me bluming room did you not know no oh man I did but
after throw me piz but at least you got yours back to the hotel like we were waiting at that night it was out in the
cold so I was stood like what was the temperature like outside it SED one day
but it still wasn't cold was it like cuz it wasn't windy even in we weren't in the windy city but yeah it was it wasn't
windy so it wasn't too cold um but yeah so we went there and then we went back to Fat roses to wait for Byron to finish
his meal and they had like an outdoor fire pit so I'm stood next to that like shivering cuz all I'd got on his this hoodie in a t-shirt cuz that's what I
live all I've ever seen you wear it's literally I'm like an insane Steve Jobs like I'm nowhere near as rich but I wear
the same outfit cuz I always I just have like black jeans and and I'm just like
well everything goes with black jeans and then it's just less to think about I can see why people do it yeah I like not
thinking about stuff yeah I do it's so good especially as you get older yeah but speaking of not thinking about stuff
so I I stood there and I'm like warming my hands on this fire taxi turns up so we leg it to the taxi and I'd left my
pizza are on the table a and I'd only eaten half the not even half I'd had two slices like him different reason I'd
cracked my tooth the night before in half oh [ __ ] totally different story we can't share that one we can't share that story at all we're just going to leave
people guessing so I'd crack my tooth in know the truth Ed Ed knows the truth yeah I was sharing a room with Ed um oh
yeah he's always been quite forceful hasn't he you're
right yeah please please leave your your uh your your Theory down in the comments and whoever gets the right answer will
win a free brush set yeah courtesy Byron exactly thanks
Byron um but no so I'd left my pizza there and jumped in cracked my tooth um these guys the next morning headed off
to the thing I had to go to Target to find like a temporary filling solution for my tooth holy crap and as we drove
back past fat roses the next day my pizza was still there on the table like me and I was just there like in almost
in slow motion watching it like no no cuz we were like it was we were the other side of an American road which
like 18 Lanes lock wide or something like that and but I just saw it like
pizza oh so terrible I brought them with me you'll know it but um our lovely
friend that we met at lvo being blue haad oh he so Sergio Sergio AR armentor
and he works for cuz I said I would give them a shout out cuz uh he very kindly
looks after us he works for uh G Escape who are in San Francisco now some of you
will have seen the photograph on Instagram and me and Pat talked about it
from lvo was do you remember Pat the enormous jelly
bear yeah the Haribo bear and I said how do you eat that as of you can't just gar
it we you don't have one in that just wait it's worse than that you can't do
because you just know it you slice a bit theid whole eat it at right now imagine
being the worst sort of deprived weird serial killer this was a present I got off
sge oh he he cut it up into pces and then and then back you
P it's literally like out of sub serial killers basement I love
it that's that's well you bet even still I love the convenience of it but still
that's still a lot of jell still a lot to get like is that like the Torso that's the these will be the
limbs I mean well done s he's the nicest guy he's the nicest guy he he also
scares us to a degree I'm going to I'm going to edit to myself um speaking
directly to you Sergio nobody else I respect you even more well done um yeah
that's that's wonderful freaky weird and he was nearly murdered because every
every time I turned my back I would go into my pocket for something and I'd have yet another large wooden Dice and
me Pock that was a great point I came back you like reverse pickpocketed yes I came back with about seven of them
wonder and then he was at it as well and I my pockets are seem to be just Excell
I know I'm a big lad but apparently my pockets are about the size of a whale's mouth because every seems to go in them
Sergio had some like weird way of doing it cuz every time i' like tried to I'd see sort of like Jeff's pocket there and I'd be like right drop a dice in and I
was doing it with yours but he's got such sensitive thighs this man that that he detected every time well known for it
that's it he detected every time so Sergio Serio one many middle names
that's right so that's it yeah be be afraid of someone who who has very sensitive hands like I wonder how long
cuts up a bear how long will they keep I don't know well the vacuum pack so essentially you know there's far more
wiser viewers out there than than most Mania what I'd like next time um Sergio
um is have a look at the artist Damen Hurst
um and and I would like something like this but preserved in like a resin um oh
Jo encourage him he will encourage him he will he will he's we the best you've
seen his hair you know he's odd yeah yeah no unique's go with unique yeah so yeah
something like that that I could display in my house but he's lovely cuz he he did keep this he kept us watered
again yeah he was like we thought he was like oh he was friend of the chat he was around for everyone like he turned up
with I forget who he was with then I'm really sorry hopefully we can put it in the description um because I do know but
he was everyone's friend wasn't he he was there for every Booth like hey guys how are you doing you're hang if you're hanging around with a chap that gives
people mutilated gummy bears they're generally going to remember that person
the um the thing he did as well which was lovely was um there was an a catchall competition wasn't he for oh
for res be for res resin um for people who painted resin Miniatures yeah and
his company did the his company back in San Francisco did a really nice thing which was um however much your miniature
cost you you spent on buying that miniature they would reimburse you the
money for their shop oh cool which I thought was he won a prize or something
which I thought was really really nice of them so that I thought was pretty good so there was that painting
competition yeah I well I was going to say like as somebody that like wasn't there I couldn't go um CU I had a
brement in the family but um the two the two main things that I sort of saw like
from The Games Workshop like news and stuff were the releases which I thought were a bit like I can barely remember
there was some chaos people well that was about it it was were you guys there was that people about we were there when
that happened but we were for me at least I was that busy I didn't get a chance to see it obviously we saw sigar
release the new sigar editions coming um but other than that I they did that
weekend was that just a video did they show off they were just talking was they weren't doing anything they didn't show off any scaven models or anything did
they no they were on yeah but um cuz that was a bit cuz I yeah I remember
looking I was like oh what are you team Sigmar or team rap people and I was like oh I want to see the rap models and then
it was just like sign up for this newsletter yor well on 40K side of it there was a new chaos Champion with a
jetpack there was like two chaos characters the new the new chaos champion on foot yeah had was two tubes
in a backpack away from just being a an age of sigar chaos miniature I thought exactly the same cuz
he had like a pelt on didn't he two tubes on his belly a backpack oh and a holster and if You' got rid of all of
them potentially could have just added a I'm glad I'm not the only one yeah I looked at that very AG signal that's a
little bit a nice enough miniature but a very run-of-the-mill and then the other really main thing for 40K was um well
it's not for 40K but it's obviously 40K adjacent was the release for kill team yeah oh yeah um the uh V leagues of otan
Rangers on foot the ones who previously have been on them hover bikes and yeah with the big jacket yeah and then
fighting which is a very simple thing to do isn't it which is Brew brothers so Jean Steeler called oh yes new Cadian
the new Cadian bodies but with then and Adon Breuer doing the heads which is but
then that's had some wion because I'm on the Jean Steeler C page that's had a bit of wiing because people have gone well
it's probably nice that if we want to do new cadens as as cult that's good but
then to level a Bo up they've just thrown in all of the um some heads you
can already get well the heads I think are new but they've then thrown in like the the Primus and the Megos and and
then they've just thrown in pre-existing Jean stealer cult command Miniatures in
there as well so yeah which aren't new just to bulk it out a bit so it's it's one of those
things you think if you're a jean Steeler called player if you're buying it for 40K and
you want to just get the stuff a yeah it's one of them ones really really worth us waiting out because you're
going to end up with a load of stuff you've already got cuz everyone will have that command much everyone that's
in that command group so it's like it didn't really strike much of a point really yeah um H I can't remember
everything that came off AG of Sigma but I do remember those weird guys that capture lightning did you see I didn't they they
like you know like when um I don't know well up on them but you know the sigar kns when they turn up they up in like a
storm but there's like ordinary guys who like have got like big rods that capture their lightning so they can
fight yeah sorry I did see that yeah and there's like one of them with a a small child on his shoulders with a hood over
his head with a big rod for catching like it's just got health and safety gone M health and safety issues written
all over it there's no no red tape in so yeah but it was um yeah it's weird to be
an event where they do a big reveal and you're so busy that you really don't find out what's going you're like the
last know cuz I think most most of the stuff um that that I saw was kind of
like through the pages of Deon it's mostly GW stuff that comes out a lot I had no idea that there was that like resin competition or yeah or what yeah
that's unfortunate doing all the the the little bits like that sounds like it'd be really fun it was nice that was it
was nice that there was a resin competition but the only problem being for that was I think hopefully it's something they address next year is me
and Ross wenton had watch yeah but you you there is no way to you don't see any
of the Miniatures so unless you've really studied everything in that's been on yeah so you don't see them in the
awards C you don't see them so they're out it's it's run by creature caster and are lovely bunch of people oh amazing
absolutely incredible guys Taylor and and Simon was one the beardy guy I
forget his name but I'll know if if I it might be Simon um but I don't think it is but yeah so they run it but it's them
it's their models and their Partners but it can be like resin a resin sculpt that you can buy or a 3D printed resin model
and it's it's them and I I don't want to say who it is in case I get it wrong but it's their Partners one of them was um
eldric Foundry Andy and um yeah who we met who was lovely who helped us round
Target because we couldn't find no way around a yes yes um but yeah th those those guys Miniatures so they they were
all out on cabinets as part of the creature cter Booth but yeah in the I think this this wasn't their first year
I think it was their second but yeah going forward I'd love to see two things I'd love to see them when they do the
awards ceremony like at least a projector with this person won for this model cuz they didn't have that and we
were like I don't know who's as who's um and they didn't seem to have a trophy no which was unfortunate I think
people who enter a painting competition love like the trophy or a plaque the amount of I saw um oh the the oh is it
giz gizm giz giz something with like the iron warrior with the little skeleton and stuff yeah
yeah yeah the three golden like that do you mean the guy who won um Peter turbo
Turbo pet turbo P Turbo with the yeah and that's that's the thing like a lot of people have always slated gw's
photography and I've always said there's nothing wrong with it but the colors in that actual model versus the photograph
that's gone out online they're all gone like I've got video of it and you can see more it's oh oh that's interesting
but yeah but go on what were you saying sorry cuz he he I think it was he he posted um
some images of him uh taking the his golden demon apart and uh stripping the
paint off um and then respraying it oh that was Taro James T yeah another lovely space
hunk SP has a t-shirt on in the font uh of uh which is from um people uh from
gents who sent us t-shirts the past uh yeah have you hav prints oh yeah you
done your already they're responsible for the cool underhive t-shirt you've got on my old school which is in shop
fun yeah they do a space they have do a space Hulk t-shirt which has got space hunk written on it yeah and that was
good Jes Taro was wearing it which annoyed me because he's in good Nick and he quite good so we made it worse didn't
he it is it is I've got a lovely slow-mo footage of him doing like smaller to the camera I think I remember get that in
there yeah we took about three takes didn't it but we got it of doing space hun but he did really well didn't he he
did well he he got um three three golden demons was May straight into that so so
we talk about Golden demon I was going to say the second thing that I heard about was golden demon uh and and yeah I
I again I've heard a lot about I can't edit it myself cuz my camera's overheated but um yeah I heard loads
about um how people always slack off the pitches and it's like I know some of the
guys that take the pitches and they don't see the outside for like three days and they have to photograph
everything um so it is like a bit of like a production line it's getting it
done rather than making sure you get the best image ever and I know what those guys are capable of and they're Sensational videographers and
photographers um yeah that side I thought was yeah looking at the entries
I think this is probably like that from adepticon last year I feel like just the breadth of of talent and everyone that
was there like looking at the winners and everything and seeing the images online I'm like yeah part of it was
super inspiring and being like wow so good seeing stuff painted that well but then also um I'm like oh like I should
have been there I'm never going to paint that good War's crap yeah it it was the same when you
were there like when you're actually there seeing them you're like this is so inspiring yeah but
demiz we had people at the booth as well didn't we who came over so if you think it's bad and
seeing it through a cabinet when it's complete we had who did we have we had Steve Garcia Steve Steve Garcia was
brilliant so i' 3D printed A A head from a well-known um sci-fi franchise yes um
and Steve had just spent the day stippling that well if I if I send you them images do you think you might go
the show I've I've got video you got video and and that and we got to sit there but like being able to sit next to
people like Steve Garcia for a day and just his brain Neil Hollis oh Neil Hollis um gold
winner for single miniature brilliant guy absolute Legend I don't I don't think I mentioned this to Pat and we
were having our debrief before the show was I am I didn't know that Neil Hollis was Neil Hollis when I met Neil
Hollis so we met up in a gang outside and I was just starting to feel better because i' had that bit thing I remember
told you that when I uh I didn't quite figure out how to make a waffle very well I thought I was going to
Lo of egg yeah and I thought it was going to throw up in the taxi and then when we got out the taxi it starts to
feel a bit better we bumped into Neil Hollis and um and we also bumped into
Andy Wardle and Eric Swanson yes and the chat from Games Workshop oh
yes yeah yeah I can't remember yeah I my brain's gone it was out on my birthday as well and yeah don't watch this but um
I'm terrible when yeah and then and I met I got talking to Neil Matt that's right yes Matt we got talking to Neil
and um and then Byron had said didn't he to pretty much anybody who who was like
top tier yeah bring your miniature to the stall so I can get some good photographs of it before you Boo and put it in the cabinet and um Neil Hollis
came around and showed off this beautiful elar exodite that is now yeah
famous and infam Infamous for I this warrants a little bit of talking about I'll just get to it in a second
and I I said and you know that thing when you you know you you're somebody don't know very well but you're hoping
you know but you've already sort of liked and I didn't realize Neil Hollis was Neil Hollis and and he came around
and he and he showed it off and like I said I briefly met him and I went let's see what you and he went and I went oh
mate that's really nice I hope that does really well well done well done that's
so good and good and you could see Neil you could see Neil being really really
polite about the fact that I was almost being and I wasn't being condescended but you know when you're trying to wish
someone the best you don't know very well yeah you know like if it was a good mate you go that's you know and you could be and being sort of you could be
in with a chance there yeah supportive and polite the you get commended entry P at least
yeah last year's Slayer sword winner which I then fouled out very shortly after then had the next time I
see Neil had to go Neil I've got to be honest Neil I didn't know that you were who you that you were Neil Hollis when I
didn't make the connection and I didn't realize you won two Slayer swords and God knows how many golden demons but
coming back to that model like what was it like like we got to hold it we got to hold it and and obviously that's now
that's now a somewhat of a cont is it controversial is that I controversial
was the right me yeah so for like we'll we'll put an image up uh of of the entry
I mean I've got it on my phone here uh that's the right one right that is the right one yes the the backdrop is hasn't
been painted it's an AI it's an AI like printed image like I this is thing is
the whole world well the whole world that's nowhere near to but everybody interested in Golden demon has an
opinion yeah on that miniature and to be fair it opinions are like [ __ ]
everybody's got one yeah and they often stink um they everyone's got oh you know
it shouldn't it doesn't matter it's amazing or well it does matter because AI is ultimately always stolen art and
yes you know your work is always meant to be quite like aggressive like Instagram stories from people like think
is quite interesting about it is if probably as AI because there's people
out there who know AI far better than I do but Neil hasn't said that aware of Neil Neil dropped a pretty good
Zinger so I think I saw and I didn't see this on Neil's own stories but someone took a shot of Neil's Instagram where
Neil had put up a question like can you tell this is air and then posted that question into like chat GPT and the
response was nothing so so it was like yeah so it was almost like Neil going I'll just get AI to respond I've got
nothing to say about this like Savage Neil but again Neil is the nicest guy
like if anybody if anybody's out there like there are people out there who've got like you know a bit of painting
arrogance and blah blah Neil I have I would never find it difficult to Champion to like to go yeah come on Neil
cuz he's such a guy you just one those people just immediately when you're his company quite like way you know and and
he is a lovely Chap and um he very endearing thing that whenever you meet him he whenever you go hello Neil he
replies with hey up shager yeah brilliant yeah I learned recently that
uh there's a type of bird called The Shag that's right yeah assum what is
saying is that where that that is you and your Squire isn't it
you're cuz I um again I have an [ __ ] in this um I
have opinions but but I wondered what that link was yeah yeah it's the joke we made you know
I'm not pay ATT who is yeah if you're still watching
please watch um like I only really have strong
opinions on stuff that I know doesn't matter like American chocolate who cares you can like it you canot I'll have a
strong opinion on that because who's going to be offended hopefully very few people um in in this um I can understand
the point of view of people like if it is AI blah blah blah um saying it's a painting competition yeah like you
haven't painted that anything AI is plagiarized because it's drawing
inspiration from whether it's words whatever um from work that's been done
by a human um so it it is some form of
of theft um you know like if you type in Forest background or whatever you know
it might go oh here is a picture that Norman took um and I'm going to just
alter it a little bit so it's technically not but it's Inspire I get it like and in a painting
competition maybe um but from the other
perspective it's a miniature painting competition and everything even single
Miniatures like squads like the war cry uh and the necromunda winners are just
just Miniatures not just miniatures on the basis whereas everything else
seems to have gone into this like diarama every everything's on a plint everything has a backdrop and if you're
not doing it you're going to be this that and the other um so that is that
taking more of the focus than the actual painted miniature are you saying in a
way that AI or not that golden demon looks a little bit like the entrance and
golden demons look like they golden demon look like they've run away with themselves a bit already anyway like
there's definitely Trends isn't there and and that one seems to be one that's stuck um and having having a back having
the backdrops and stuff like that that's the weird thing with the rules and stuff like I I always liking stuff to F1 CU
that's kind of something I know a little bit about that I've follow is over the
years and it's something that Games Workshop will have to learn I think is that that as stuff gets more popular and
and and more people enter they're going to look to bend the rules you know in F1 you have your technical regulations and
then someone comes in and they go oh well we've made our wing this shape technically it's within the rules it's
bending them and all that sort of stuff but um they're going to have to probably tighten it up so if it is AI and it
hasn't been explicitly said in the rules then like like like don't hate the player hate the game kind of thing
absolutely um and it it it it's been if it has been done if it hasn't whatever
let's for the sake of argument let's say it has uh then they'll have to change that for the rules next year I uh if
it's that much of an issue if if it's that and it's that much of an issue but it's it's already weird because like
Neil Neil's Neil as an example is an odd one he entered I want to say like a year
and a half ago I want I think it was UK and he entered last year's winner which was the the the dark
Angelus but he had it on a different like a really which I think was made it
look better like a really B bigger Bas was it they said diama that's it and and
some I don't know why but he switched it the intent was to go in single mini and he switched it to diarama and didn't
place he then reduced the base reentered it into adep con last year won Slayer
sword gold single miniature and Slayer sword for it and now he's come back in single miniature 40K with this huge base
so already AI or not yeah like what are the rules I don't understand the rules
what's a single miniature and at what point does it become a diarama yeah yeah bear in mind that you know Neil's piece
as amazing as it absolutely is and I and you're going it's single miniature but
the very first nearest thing to you on the base is a piece of clear resin with fish in it yeah you know what I mean and
and and I personally my opinion on this to get rid of the whole thing of AI and and the base size and the this and is it
a DI armor or is it this or what I personally think Games Workshop going
forward CU also as well if we talk about um the Slayer sword winner for this year had um 3D printed um things on the Bas
the whole model was 3D scan because it was I didn't realize this at the time the reflection is a reverse model which
obviously games work release so the belief is that was 3D scanned and then
tightened up probably cuz 3D scanning terrible it seems um and U and then put
in Reverse but it was so good it was amazing I just didn't even understand the engineer how it managed to put it
onto a base but I think do Games Workshop you've got two Games Workshop I've got two I've got two options here
the either go as long as you're not directly affecting the original miniature m then every all better off do
what you want yeah yeah or and possibly maybe the way I'd like to go
but I'd like to go too is plinth the size of your
base and that's it yeah yeah okay yeah yeah agreed plint the size of your base
yeah or maybe if you're doing like a s if you're doing a squad yeah rough bit
of ground holes in it and then you're still on your original base dropped into that like it used be squs
and diaramas is so close the thing is I personally think well so a single Minion
diar yeah yeah I think personally I think if you're talking about the difference the difference between
diarama and the other Miniatures for me should be is a DI armor or is a DI armor
and in all the other categories whatever you're putting in should be able to be taken off that and put on a tabletop and
played yeah yeah yeah and that would be yeah that would be that's a hard take
because all of the things I seen with their beautiful backdrops um John nin's
entry with oh yeah she was beautiful I wanted to talk about which I thought was
stunning and it's but it's got It's got like a set of stairs well it's got like a rocky piece in the background for the
horse to be walking down it was stunning and if you're watching John I really really like your piece um but then maybe
go you know if you're going to have them all on a big backdrop together like that and it's a big rough piece of land maybe
that should be diarama it might be clear though like we're saying this have any of us read the rules yeah maybe it might
actually be clear to the guys who are but it but but you know there was a lot of things that was like um on your
nights um black Templar we on individual bases if I remember rightly they weren't
but I don't think that's required as no no but as a squad but I but I think personally to
cut all of this arguing out it be they are playable pieces otherwise
everything becomes diarama becomes diarama and then this becomes is how is it well well it was only 40% di armor so
that makes it a single miniature but was 60% di armor but still okay for the squads and it's like where did you start
drawing the line I like to think you go you enter in the category you feel it's
best and we make a decision on whether you think it's based my category or
or you you you really you really clamp down hard and go every everything's on
its original base and the base can be slaughtered into something yeah yeah I saw a few like like that yeah a few were
and then like Richard Gray Richard Gray's vampires when on uh on went on a
particularly Scenic Bas they were just on a on a black p pther and and I think
you really go one extreme or the other you know yeah I just I just hope it leads to tighten in the rules like but I
think the main thing should be is because the rules at the moment are so slack yeah is I would say stop finger
pointing because your finger pointing your finger pointing where no one has broken a rule cu the rules haven't been
good enough to yes I I don't like the idea of Neil getting any grief of this
because I think what Neil presented was stunning oh God you know what I mean dropping and the the gentleman's name I
can't remember who won Slayer sword what he presented was absolutely stunning yeah and onion night Squad done its
really quite on a base and same again for John nin's work all absolutely
stunning and I'm not prepared to point a finger a because a I'm not a judge B I don't know the rules inside out and c I
can't pain that well but I think I think until the rules are discussed going
forward to next time be it they get strict or they get ridiculously lacked
yeah I think you should leave well alone justj just enjoy the work for what it is no one said no one has said the work is
bad they've just hell this and you go yeah maybe like the big backdrops and stuff might end up in open or I mean I
remember we were walking around the cabinets and I remember looking at it and even I said to you like there's a bit of a disparities cuz he he' he'
brought 3D elements I don't know what they're from whether they're from The Vines from the tree had actually stuck
out and come down and there was a bit of a visual disparity between what was photograph or AI photograph and the
paint job yeah but like and again and I'm making that from the point of view I couldn't do Ed I couldn't I couldn't
even print out that good I was going to say I wouldn't even be able to type in the prompts yeah EXA just be like hello
way I make tree and it look Neil wouldn't have trusted me to paint the plint black
yeah and it comes black that's the thing yeah yeah yeah um oh brilliant but yeah
no but yeah John's piece is another good one to talk about cuz that was the composition of that was brilliant I I
think the thing I wanted to to talk about was adepticon golden demon this
year versus last year um because there was apparently like I heard there was a
few behind the scenes like issues with who's judging it and and this that and the other and and there was lots of stuff but um like ninj on he put a piece
in last year oh it got broke didn't it uh I think yeah a little bit of it got broke um but as as you were saying
earlier Jeff that sort of golden demon it's it's a painting competition but it's a Games Workshop painting
competition so you might see something really stylized and and all that sort of thing but you're like oh it won't place
because you know it's not really that sort of style for Golden be or whatever
um but yeah the the difference between nj's videosos like he seemed quite you know last year his piece was awesome
yeah um and I think you know he put a a crap ton of effort in into it um and it
was kind of like I think it was like a vampirey thing they were on like a diarama sort of Base yeah and they were painted quote unquote normally from one
side but you flip it round and everything's in Shadow and that sort of stuff and like I don't want to mean it
as like a dig but it was like a like a a gimmick sort of thing yeah yeah um and
that never seems to farewell no no and and he seemed sort of a bit a bit maybe
a bit a bit bitter about it afterwards um like understandable you put
unbelievable amounts of effort into this piece and it didn't place and you might say oh why did it didn't place I want
more clear guidelines and rules and this kind of thing um whereas this year like
what he entered was as we've all said utterly amazing yeah I think a way better piece than he
did last year and then watching his videos and doing like you know he painted his Bas and then put it all
together and was like nah I want the rocks to be slightly more green um and getting feedback like the amount of
times I've read thanks to Andy Wardle for coaching me through this like I've read that like two or three times um and
so the difference of of of like it seems like he put way more effort into placing
yeah um and he has and I'm super happy for him um because I think it it would be very easy to to
go oh I'm painting it's and I'm not oh God Demon's rubbish whereas like maybe
he's played the game a little bit more and and and there was definitely a game because there was there's two points
there that really made me aware of it was the fact that you remember I was very taken with um the character or
Commando yeah smashing into that nekron and as you pointed out the problem being
was is that CA most of the miniature was painted in Black to represent darkness and the features of them were were was
the Sparks coming off the the necron most of that miniature is basically in a
roundout sort of way unpainted and games walk shop one a fully painted milit and you're going
that person has gone for atmosphere and narrative yeah of sneaking out of the darkness doing the necron in Commando
really cool but it's uh I no idea what it looks like but but it's a miniature but a miniature mostly painted black
yeah and it's ble ready mate yeah and this is the problem being is is that you know you're going if you're telling a
story yes maybe there's a thing yeah maybe there's a thing maybe you know I
know duel is the idea of telling story I was say I would have thought diarama should be as diarama is telling the
story maybe you need another character category called narrative that' be great where it is literally you know and and
and I loved it but as you said it's not going out anywhere cuz it's not it's it there not it's not a fully painted
miniature in in that respect and then the other one which I've already shown you the photographs of and and me and
Ross were very lucky enough to to see in the flesh was we met the lovely gentleman whose name I don't actually
know but is from is flame on milites oh I forgot his yeah you're right and he came along and showed us his entrance
for Golden demon like they were jawdroppingly amazing yeah but they're
so abstract in their paint in their design and he said in such a throwaway way he went they're amazing how did you
do any went oh they they didn't please they never do yeah because they just really really like they're really um
like you said like quite abstract really bold colors not not like there's almost like there there is a golden demon style
and if you don't paint in the golden demon style you won't place in Golden demon and it's not it's not the Games Workshop style they use on the box art
or the the paint you know your your coats and your layers and it's not that it's a golden demon style isn't it that
everyone seems to go with has to be in the IP doesn't it and I
think Richard Gray saying sorry um his vampires not this year's but last year
yeah he painted the skin green yeah and they said now the IP of wammer vampire is isn't green skin so he didn't Place
imagine saying that's St great we don't like the color of vampire SK I felt awful for Richard
this year like he traveled all the way like Richard Gray is one of my favorite painters always has and again a guy you
can walk up to you know he's he's quite you know he's generally quite a quiet guy he's not out there he's not overt
he's he's just your typical War gameer you walk up loveliest blo you can speak to and he'll talk to you for hours about
stuff um but the way they did it this year which they didn't do last year so last year they were like and bronze is
BL and you'd clap and they'd walk up this time they brought all the finalists up which amounts to about six or seven
yeah sometimes six sometimes four sometimes six six or seven did they do that for the Slayer sword as well with
weirdly they did that at Fest didn't they they brought everyone all the winners back on for thingy but anyway yeah so they brought they brought all
the was it commended entries this year commended entries up so all six or seven of you and then they did Bron bronze
silver gold and then everyone walked down then you have three or four people stood there that get nothing exactly yes
and I I watched Richard Gray at least twice might have been um more because it was it was a little bit I wouldn't say
it was badly managed at all but it was like there was a lot going off with every the yeah um and and watching
Richard Gray stand up and then walk back that hurt me so no idea how he felt and
I was like like and I I just wanted to I
wanted to go up and give him a hug and I was like you know I I love you like as if that the about as condescending as
you with with Neil good luck mate yeah Neil but it was hard to watch that sort
of thing so I'd hope they don't I don't know I liked that that they brought drama is the drama is good as a viewing
yeah you you enjoy the drama but it comes at somebody else's expense it does yes their emotional expense you know I
think that's one thing they didn't capture so like I I walked in um and and I was there I was oh I'm going to film
some stuff and blah blah and get it for you and the show was there a live stream of it I no no no nothing like that so so
one of the GW staff walked up to me went have you have you did you get the memo I'm like what memo and I was like there
noow filming I was like all right there wasn't a memo like so I was like there okay and then um one of the guys I
forget I think I think it's Mike one of the he's always at the events um and does the uh does the announcement so he
was doing the aning they were saying please don't film the event and we'll do that of course you you've seen the footage online there were about 18
people at the back with their cameras two minutes later doing this I I've seen like mobile footage of of the guy like raising the Slayer song nuts yeah yeah
so but I wasn't allowed to film with my good camera but yeah so so we have got any of
that but the bit that no one's captured which I think really really was the best bit of it was
seeing the like people getting standing ovations for their for their painting
they didn't capture the community and the energy and that's what I think a lot of people my voice was gone by then but
I was shouting like a writer oh all you could hear was him like yeah like everything you know how loud is every
time somebody knew was like yeah it was like yeah so so there's Jeff here and
500 other people who were doing their best to keep up yeah yeah I was end of the hall I had
no voice left by then so it quite well yeah je I'm quiet Mo but yeah I wish they've done that I wish they captured
just more of the energy cu the energy in that room was electric the thing I lik that they had to give in on because it
was a failed thing was what they wanted to do is that when which is just not going to happen heard with of like when
you announc the sword silence everyone's meant to stay quiet yeah and then when they get their M on so they can cut
their their precious fingers and then they lift the sword it's meant to be the big cheer but trying
to and they said so what they went was he went can you cheer twice but can you
cheer louder on the second one like it's sort of w am I WR I haven't seen I
haven't seen any footage of what they've done this now since the last adepticon obviously last adepticon was brilliant
because there was um everyone did say silent except Andy W who went yeah for
Neil you I've got a video C where you can see Andy W going
yeah that so um than that and then they did it again at Fest where everyone
ignored it and just cheered and then this year they kind of gave but the only way they could do that is if they
basically almost like put the lights down didn't tell anyone and almost like went over to people like right yeah yeah
just I'm going to tap you on the shoulder if you won the Slayer sword then the lights come up and do that that some kind of bizarre game of duck duck
goose exactly yeah yeah so duck duck Slayer sword yeah yeah yeah you be like
you don't have the Slayer sword you don't have the Slayer sword you've got the Slayer sword run but yeah yeah that
does seem like hey you know this thing that loads of you have traveled over oceans to come
through but don't be happy like come on I get why I think we
all get why they want that drama but even after this like TR set this up now for at least two golden demons that I've
been to they didn't do it with this one I haven't seen them release any footage of this chair no that they that that
they are micromanagement then yeah so why why
does it matter it's it's interesting like s having I guess being to a convention uh like with lvo not going to
this one and hearing it like I I feel like I'm a viewer of the podcast in in this scenario um so some like when when
you're like oh yeah we went here for lunch I'm like and um but um and but
that's the thing that struggles come across like that sense of community and and is like it's hard to describe um
what you're missing out on if you haven't been in that position yourself the town because it sounds amazing the
town of sha BG of where it actually was it just becomes it just becomes an
extension of adepticon doesn't it yeah yeah every restaurant you go in someone from adepticon eating every you know cu
the point that which I get it cuz they are to some degree celebrities with a small C in the
the painters and also people with the really big YouTube channels the likes of ninon and the the likes of Vince and the
people with going we don't really want to go and eat there because there'll be loads of people and you won't get a chance to because and hassle you which
is hassling you for lovely reasons yes but you go you know you people going
we'll eat over there cuz there won't be that many you know and a bit of you're almost expecting like bad santa I'm on
my lunch so um but um so but the whole
place sort of becomes like a bit of an extension it does doesn't it like when when we went to I want to say georgiano
the pizza place should we say it's that it's that it's georgiano go to shamb go to georgiano's
Pizza there'll be people like there'll just be what this one Pizzeria now with like your channel members going oh it's
been recommended and it's just this one bloke in his wife from a pizza um but yeah it wasn't there it was it was next
to Fat Jose's wasn't it it was like a walkway um but yeah we went there and then the guys from one page ruls were
there like on the table next to us um and we got we got a good chat with them and like we've been trying to talk to
them the whole show and we're like oh brilliant and then um they came over and and talked to you the next day and and
had a nice chat and so it was really good to go out and like you're right you you can't go out to a place and not see
some even when we went to Fat roses the night before the guys from B B I forget the name of the company but it's GCT GCT
they've got the Bido game um and they were on the table next to us so you can't you can't miss people yeah you're
all in uniform as well so names on yeah so head with his massive Ed Still Still
yeah um but yeah no it was it was really good wasn't it like you're right like the community is what it's about and I
think even people look at um h a fest last last year with not favorable eyes
yes but everybody who spoke of the community said it was brilliant and
that's what it was about I I imagine the majority of oh my camera's overheated
again Jesus Christ that just that camera I don't know why um yeah I imagine like
the majority of people that had oh thank you Ross they're blowing it yeah um like I'm over here we'll do that
later uh yeah I imagine loads of loads of the ne negative criticism from people that that didn't go like I I didn't go
and I'm like oh I heard it was really bad yeah yeah yeah yeah it wasn't though it was easy to focus it's easy to focus
on the negative isn't it yeah it is it is and it's weird like like Warhammer Warhammer is that hobby that has
everybody who is in it seems to love hating it yeah so why are you doing it like being a Star Wars fan the people I
know who hate Star Wars the most are Star Wars fan I know Star Trek fans that like Star Wars more than Star Wars fans
exactly like you like you go it's quite fun like talking about Star Wars when you're like oh well you know the only
films that I really like are A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back you know Jedi had the Ewoks and then the prequels
are terrible and the sequels are terrible and I don't like the animated stuff it's like I'm a big Star Wars fan
but I just like two films and of these what is now with if you add all the TV
hundreds of hours oh yeah I'm all about um but we can all agree the spin in Mandalorian wasn't needed that is like
that's going down in history the spin wasn't was it Mandalorian or book of bobett it was Boba Fett and it was like
the moped gang it and one of them just did like unnecessary spin sh yeah like it wasn't needed completely no it wasn't
and I I absolutely have you know a ranking of Star Wars and there's some that I don't like and I think if I
defend people having a Games Workshop winge is he go you only winging because
I think to some degree you are invested yeah CU if you didn't care you wouldn't bother Eng no exactly I I get it it's
that people care yeah and you know and I I think for me I think it was lovely because with you know if I stroke the
ego for a moment the amount of people who come over and went I really love the show and you know and we're like where's
Pat I love the show you know and it's this and you know people come over and go we're patreon these two guys we've
been patreons for ages and the bit that really nearly broke me was when a guy
came over and he to out his hand and he said I love the show and so on and so
forth and then he picked up a transparent case for where he was carrying um his entrance for a painting
competition and there was this beautiful painted Minature and he went like that and he showed me it and I looked at I
went oh man that's really good that's really I really like that and that proud moment when that guy said I painted all
of that listening to you oh amazing saying oh that's that's really said oh
you really keep me company when I'm painting and I thought a you know what I mean really and I thought yeah so
everybody that did come over and said hello and I did me best to make sure everyone got stickers and so on they
were uh you know it was really really appreciated that you took the time to come over and say hello yes it was more
appreciated if you took the time to come over and say hello and spend money cuz by P Me by and takes me away
again please I draw you are technically there as like you're the swimsuit model
I am yeah I like when anybody said you know somebody said oh I didn't know you were here what are you doing here I well
I'm I'm a booth babe yeah that's yeah yeah which is essentially Your Role I didn't get anyone like no one knows who
I nobody no nobody came such a liar loads of people one one there was there
was a few people but there was that tell me how to get the lines out of my work PR
M see got a video on that go watch it um but you do that that's the thing like we
can we can be Dr like in the UK you can be dry like that and you can't like that's that is a humor that doesn't
extend to am always not always that if you know them really well like like we
we have harsh banter and especially when you're like a bunch of lads on a con away from home doing that for a week we
we were Savage to each other um and you know sometimes that translated to
people who came up to the booth and it was like hang on sorry I'm just being British we're
quiet but yeah you you've got to be careful that haven't you a little bit when have to you do have to check your
just check your character a little bit before you start speaking to people yeah but yeah but met some really really
really lovely people great people and you know and people as well that was like you know really nice things people would go and it's like I sell the
brushes it doesn't necessarily mean I know what I'm doing with them and someone was like I'm trying to do glow
and want of do glow it doesn't work very well and I'm going are you putting a strong white underneath first what would
you say is a strong white and then you go down there's Monument Hobbies go and ask them for something called bold
titanium yes that like the amount of cons we've been to like cuz like I I
often help Byron with the dry brushing demos uh normally when he wants a break so we're doing demos the whole time um
and and the the Bold the titanium white isn't the best for like a smooth dry brush cuz it's very matte super mat
still like for edges even like get it on your driver brush get the edges or for just coverage I worry that like Byron
keeps taking me to these events and I'm selling more bold titanium y I am promoting the brushes that that he's
selling um but but the best brush to apply Bal titanium white back obviously but um yeah but it
was it was lovely and and everyone that I spoke to be them uh vendors or
customers or customers and viewers and just viewers it was really really thankful that they came over it really
that it really made the con and you know and we had it keeps your energy up doesn't it you know when you CU you you
work in retail for a day like and that that's like hats off to anybody who does those jobs because it's hard it's really
hard um but yeah when you've got people coming up and and chatting it's so encouraging to be like wow this this
validates my existence how many people how many people who don't know you over and we're
like how was your flight how how are you feeling yeah how was did you guys fly virgin again no we fle britishway ba it
was nice how was it f for me some somebody's well he's taller than me did you get your leg room I I got yes that
was I got my legroom on the way back which was very very kind to bed to sort
out thank you very much he did try on the way in yeah he did try on the way in but he kept get it kept crashing and I
got like my leg room on on the way on the way back out home I got leg room but
I was sat in the middle between two people and as I'm not the thinnest of men yeah there was it was just Jeff I
went to the loop Midway through the flight and I came back and I clocked Jeff gave him a nod and Jeff's just there smiling like hi and then these two
people like as it was like they they all only had one shoulder each and the shoulder
but that's the rule if you're in the middle you get both armless yeah Jeff
explained that to everyone otherwise like if you have the eyle and
both armrests like that's not allow you can't what I've now realized from from from flight and don't get me wrong and
if you're having a go I know it's all on me is that you can have one of two things you you can have you can be
fat or you can be tall but if you're tall and fat and you get leg room it
doesn't work out because the other problem being is is you can't lift your arms and your seats are narrow because your arm in leg room have everything in
them the tray is in the arm yeah oh yeah's in the arm TV's in the arm so
your arms are actually really quite wide so I had the leg room but I had no ability to manspread ever in the
slightest it was literally my two my knees were like glued together so um so I got leg room on the way back but I
didn't get thigh room on the leg on the way back so I myself best I don't I but
thank you to Ed for S out from he very very private jets the only way forward that's do keep saying to Byron like why
doesn't he like we're a business we should at least go Business Class Bus class that's it normal um but no it's
like at the end of the day I think we're all just grateful to be allowed to go yeah absolutely and you know you know to
think you know I think I there was one point where we went to the we we went to
the Chicago Arts Institute and I'm looking I'm looking at a a self-portrait
of Van go in the flesh and thinking oh it's incredible isn't it yeah and think
if R didn't push pain around a small plastic soldier and then want to talk about pushing pain around a small
plastic soldier I wouldn't be in the middle of Chicago looking at that yeah like I've got to say like I and I love
you mom um you're not she's not watching um isn't she no that's it but
yeah she always used to tell me like when I was a kid and I say a kid like 11 12 she was like um why are you always
like painting these you'll never get anywhere painting these models why can't you go outside and play like a real boy
um and I'm sure I'm sure many of young hobbyist has heard similar um well can I
are you allowed to swear on this yeah [ __ ] you now Mom it's all right watching look where
I'm at but I love you Mom I I do love you one of my favorites from the Art Institute was the fact that Ross got
lost oh did yeah Ross Ross the building Ross head in modern not and I think Ross
I think Ross was getting a bit frightened cuz we got a photograph that went I'm lost F me and then another
photograph that just said of this really weird hideous looking female character
and then just it was pop art sculpture yeah and then Ros then just replied with
another one just sent to another one that said I think I had enough half for today it was weirdly it was
disappointing cuz I went you guys had to check you you spent more time checking your bag than
it took an to Che so we queued to get a ticket but we couldn't our bags over so we got a ticket then went to go in you
know allowed in with bags like this big so then they had to get in an even bigger queue to hand their bags in so I
went and had a look around the gift shop at the beginning and they had um the Hawai piece which is The Great Wave
everybody knows this art piece and I I did when I did GCS I based it around
Japanese I was I was so excited so I went walking around I've got to see this it's part of my life I
it as we wereing we were in through the Japanese section the Asian was toang
excuse me uh can you tell me where this is she went it's off display this week this week just that week yeah yeah
yeah like probably and it was the end of the week wasn't it so it was probably back the next day oh that nerd
convention's on yeah they're all going to want to come and see yeah grubby fingers like to go like nearly halfway
around the world and to possibly yeah yeah so I'm not like an art connoisseur
but that matters to me that was like the day when we went to when we went to Copenhagen uh Copenhagen aquarium and we
gone in the week that they were um cleaning all the fish wellish changing all the batteries where they were uh
rebuilding the enclosure for the Seas Seas went on display I wanted to cry as
if someone loves Seas devastating fell to my knees yeah I Oh there's uh in in
long eaten uh SE se you could have just got there the canal there isn't there
isn't sea OTAs but there's a place called Spring Lakes where you can do wild swimming or you can get a kayak or
a canoe or whatever yeah um and I rented a kayak and well yeah me and me and
carish both rented some kayaks on wonder around and I saw an otter yeah you yeah so they have some OTAs in there I don't
think I've ever seen one in real life no we did I have but only in enclosures one SE a I saw I saw a kingish in real life
but I have to keep reminding myself that I saw a king fisher cuz all I really saw was just like a Blue Blur yeah and and
again I was with Caris and she was like king fisher oh my God and I was like I feel like I haven't seen it but
technically I have I guess I feel like I'd seen it more if it was sat still on a branch yes I'm looking confused here
right I don't know if and I'm going to look dumb as hell but I don't care I don't no one knows everything um is a
king is a king fisher is that a fish or is that a bird it's a bird right okay sh it's shiny shiny blue on it on its head
backwards and then on its front it's like bright orange if you see a picture of it um you've got sh because they is
it's not I'm thinking of what's the one with the tall white neck not a swan um with the that's a crane is it right yeah
that's that's what pict or a heron yeah that's a fish oh God was Miles
off that's the that is almost the opposite of what I was thinking that hasn't got a neck no no oh I saw I saw
was at atra Nature Reserve yesterday which is pretty close and uh I was super
close to a heron that's a heron yeah you close is that more like a king fisher no
that's a lot bigger kingish you just shown me a k yeah it's more like a c so welcome to yeah Natural History is not
going to be a thing we're going to spin off this um like let's painting phase it up um there's there's types of birds
called boobies painting painting face up by
lowering the that's how we you can buy um like tea towels and posters and it
has and it says boobies and then there's different types of birds that are boobies and and also uh tits asly tits
oh God I can spell boobies on a calculator that's the closest to relas so how do we how do we segue this back
to back we generally don't it just does it just off stag way around basically
just like yeah we went from uh you know one of the the the toughest M Painting
competitions ever to talking about tits yeah um and and there weren't there weren't many tits in the painting
competition good we noticed that there was there was a lot on Miniatures like around the hall um there were there were
a few people no that was a different com wasn't it I'm saying was it you weren't there never mind so oh yes I can talk
about this so let's see if I can turn my camera on um is when we had um Reese on
um with he was there yes yeah yeah yeah so
um they were talking about how they don't censor anything but they have safe searches you won't find anything unless
you go looking for it um and and you went looking for it no I didn't he he uh
very kindly um because they have their printing service you can you can buy the
already printed Miniatures if you don't want to go through the hassle of printing yourself and um I was like cool I'll I'll check out
the website and I clicked on it and then went like I don't know one click to printed Miniatures next click to like
fantasy Miniatures and here was some like goat
man making love to a scantly clad woman and I was like I didn't go looking for
that I sent him an email I him but I filed it very yeah and now now we know
why I think 3D printing is the future of miniatures yeah yeah and um yeah it was
it was until Games Workshop cou catch up with goat man love they've got SL like
that's that's the bit where it's like yeah yeah four out of 10 only four boobs if you want 10 stars six more boobs yeah
yeah yeah so there we go and I realized as I was talking about that I think I edited to Ross instead of I I haven't
really been in the office for couple weeks you're out of touch a little bit yeah yeah yeah so I've only got four
fingers and four buttons but I keep messing it up um you how many cameras you got four four yeah yeah hello oh
wait that's yours there you go yeah you're on there now but on the whole a a good C it was brilliant absolutely love
it it's the it's the one I don't want to do any others now so no don't put that in there because he won't take me but
but no that that is the one I always look forward to um and and just the vendors there were were fantastic um
I've I've done a done a separate video on like here's who we met and just kind of a brief thing I've tried to connect I
tried to do one video about as you know I was like can we paint a model like
using all the things from adepticon and enter it into a competition at adepticon
to show you everything at adepticon um and Neil Hollis has now painted on it Ross as a knob so I've got an original
Neil Hollis uh that will be auctioned off for charity oh wonderful um for anybody who wants one
of them but um gave up on that and then I've just done like a little is 3D printing taking over the the hobby
sphere and that no but you know I've got I've got to find content somewh yeah oh absolutely yeah and even if you know the
answer like I mean the the the sensationalist answer is like from doing
bits of 3D printing myself like again like you know if you're not at adepticon it's hard to know what it's like if you
don't have a 3D printer it's hard to know what that's like and and you hear about it and you go oh 3D oh it's going
to destroy game Workshop or if Games Workshop don't start 3D printing their business is done oh yeah and I printed
my first things and I go games work shop of fine yeah it really is a Manisha I've loved
that and it was um I think who was it you said it to it was Pete the wargamer we were we were walking once and I was
saying like everyone thinks thinks 3D printing is going to destroy Games Workshop and it's like what just like 2D
printings killed magic Pokemon Yu-Gi-Oh and and all those I think they're fine
oh yeah yeah cuz you could just print your own like cuz everyone will have scanned the cards you could you could
print your own cards yeah I never even thought about that yeah and that that to me is the Perfect Analogy of yeah yeah
shut up mate then Games Workshop are not going to will they eventually enter the STL Market yeah book bookshops still
exist exactly and I'm very glad that they do um so so do no music shops don't
exist anymore really do they is clinging on they by selling I think apparently uh
the resurging vinyl um has helped them but then they also sell headphones and
t-shirts and and really Niche stuff like I went into water stones and they have uh like the one in Nottingham I don't
know how long it's been there I've been in a couple of times now but they have their top floor I go up to have a look at the board games I'm not into like
manger and stuff but the majority of that top floor is all like manga novels
and graphic and um like sci-fi bits and Bobs and I'm just like you got that board game about birds um it's called
wingspan it's very good okay apparently I was getting told the other day there is an offshoot of that with Dragons oh
right interesting there we go what's that called Wings Spong probably W yeah
cuz they've got wings too I'm learning so much about nature
yeah I mean see who who would have thought we'd be talking about birds towards the end of this podcast yeah and
in like a yeah let's talk about birds birds
adepticon um I've been a war gamer since 13 I know nothing about birds but who does I mean lots of people
maybe but not us no I like I like learning about secret worlds that I knew
nothing about that's and paint and pushing pigment round on little models having fun oh it's crapping gray let's
make it yellow done nice there we go yeah yeah yeah I mean that's crazy talk yellow over gray
what tune in next time you having a giraffe have you tried
tried the new one what is it which one's the good yellow is it one imperial fist no no there's someone did a really good
Opa Monument Hobbies again their yellows really good so I think I've done yellow over black in like three layers on them
oh my good that sounds like crazy talk yeah that does sound like crazy talk
yeah I haven't used my uh like Pro CW Paints in ages I used some of the metallics recently and I'm just not used
to how like thick they come out the oh yeah well um they I they came over and
they very kindly gave us some uh boxes of paint and I ended up with the flameon
Box yeah and um and when I looked at it you know I opened it up and I thought oh there's a there's there's something
going on here that looks like there's some theory of how something worked I went opened it up and looked at it it's all of the paints from the proac r of
designed for for creating um NM NMM gold oh the problem being is I've then been
online and I can't find anywhere where the teach mostly I think they're mostly Twi
like Jason's got a ton of videos but I think a lot of it was originally twitch
very he does a lot of twitch streams cuz that's how they started is they wanted paint for himself that he could use and
then happened to create one of the most accessible Paints in the world so brilliant yeah not too bad I do love
them but do you find like you cuz you guys do a lot of paints do you guys find like you're limited a bit by the amount
of different paints like you've got your paracels you've got these you've got them and because you're constantly switching to try different things for
the channel and the viewers it's almost a bit limiting because you're not you're not fully learning any particular like
product I feel like um yeah like we we used to be have like some sponsorship
from AK yeah um uh which we don't anymore but um and and I feel like I've learned the
AK paints yeah um reasonably well in that I think it I think a test a credit
to the paints is they all behave very very similarly definely like I I think
of AK paints as like Citadel plus yeah like they work how I want Citadel paints
to work like thin them down and and they just work really well and I'm like brilliant fantastic yeah I feel like I learned them cuz I used them pretty much
just them for for ages um um and even though we're not sponsored by them anymore um I will continue to do so
because I think they're great um I am really enjoying going out and using other paints and having the freedom to
do so um but it it's like um you know using a different brand it comes to
paints he's now single and ready to mingle that's it yeah yeah if you want
me to use your paints give just just cover me in pain um don't do that again
just do that again I didn't know whether we would all just quietly ride that
out it's like that what was that film with John Senor in it recently where he's like talking like this trying to
make a point so if there's anybody out there I'm going to ask and leave this in the video that needs to be M
just not this hands the table hands on to the
table I'm not getting caught soorry what did I
do you were just go yeah hi everyone buttick
sorry welcome to mem Hood but yeah know I know what you mean like yeah I really like AKs but yeah I keep jumping like
I've got Army painters to try at the moment they're new to try the fanatic it's it's also very liberating
not being tied down cuz like I want I want to try Duncan stuff I real I really want to try good um scale 75 metallics
but I feel like I can openly say now like I do genuinely like like love the
third gen acrylics from AK yeah the metallics I can take them all leave them yeah I think
vallejo's air metallics are topnotch I think oh for for base coats especially
and and I don't really want to use anything else cuz like even even the procross stuff their metallics are great
but then it's kind of like yeah using a different camera for the first time you're like oh all the buttons are in the wrong place yeah like and I'm like
oh this texture and this and that and they ended up making it a bit gloopy and then too thin and and it's you know
you'll get the hang of it eventually like of course you will but companies don't put enough out for like explaining
what their their kind of USP is like they don't Market it that way cuz I think every company wants to catch
everyone when you look at like I I totally agree like ak's gen 3 I think are the best allrounder if you want to
get started mini painting invest in them cuz they'll work for you want to thin them down they're great you want to
cover they're great like Pro acill are great but they're great for coverage yes like more they're still great paints but
that's great for mixing cuz it's they only ever really do single pigment stuff don't yeah yeah exactly yeah so they've
got all their benefits and then yeah a bit more like that but I just it's nice to know that I'm not the only one who feels a little bit like almost not
locked into a paint it's nice that You' got the freedom but you want to get better at painting but you're like oh
I'm trying a new paint as well because people want to know about this paint and then I've got to start again
yeah and it does feel like starting again to a certain extent yeah it does um yeah which is which is super
interesting but yeah yeah I'm quite I'm Keen to try Duncan's paints because I I
haven't touched them yet um and I hear good things yeah they're good they're good good coverage they do what they say
on the tin I think and like yeah the Army painter stuff cuz like you get their full range it's like over 200 pains isn't it 260 paints although I
feel like they're a bit they're a bit weird with theirs cuz like some of their different colors or like just darker and
lighter versions of others as opposed to being different viewes but that's that's a good thing for people who don't want
to mix I guess yeah that's it so I don't want to mix yeah I like if I'm doing an
army like I know some people are like oh like mix up a big batch of this I'm like
no yeah yeah can't be bothered yeah cuz do best to remember what I did yeah yeah
yeah I hate mixing cuz I'll never get it right the next time and it'll look wrong so same with people are like oh I mix 5%
no no why do people mix resin people yeah so if you get something too hard and you want um the main one is like Sur
attch who make a really detailed resin called um Navy gray and then you mix in
some of what's called tenacious which cures like rubber like no you could throw it and it'd be like a bouncy ball
okay and you mix like 5% in one to the other I'm like no if cotch want me to
use it like that then they need to release it like that cuz I will not yes cuz I'll never get the the balance right
next time exposure will be off it'll be boring but all that's for a completely different show yeah and that's why Games
Workshop are fine yes exactly ends exactly where we start
yeah games R up are okay yeah yeah you really don't need to worry about it them
at all but yeah adepticon was great and adepticon was great thank you so much for coming on thanks for having me and
hopefully come back and we'll talk about what you do proper on another video would you be up for that yeah of course
I will I love your channel big fan of the channel it was weird meeting you guys for the first time cuz we already had
that parasocial relationship of I know you really well and and and you're like
we're not friends go away not true it's not true yeah so if
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